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  • Purina Strategy Healthy Edge

    My horse and I just moved to a new town. The local feed stores do not carry Nutrena products (only Purina), so I have had to switch him to Purina Strategy Healthy Edge. See here for Gauranteed Analysis: http://www.horse.purinamills.com/pro...2-0032677.aspx

    I suppose I could have chosen any Purina product, but feed store employees told me this was the closest to his old Nutrena product. He was on Nutrena's Hi-Fat. See below for Gauranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein 12%
    Crude Fat 8%
    Crude Fiber 12%
    Calcium min 1%, max 1.5%
    Phosphorus .5%
    Copper 40PPM
    Selenium .3PPM
    Zinc 140PPM
    Vitamin A 6000IU/LB

    He has become nearly unmanageable recently. He was fully switched over about three weeks ago. He spooks at everything. Three weeks ago, he wouldn't spook at the idiot frat boys shooting guns next door. Now, he freaks out over a dried leaf blowing across the grass. My question for you; is this feed related? Could a change in product have sent him completely over the edge into pure craziness? If anyone has experience with Purina Strategy Healthy Edge, I'd love to hear from you. Do your horses like it? Do well on it? Does it make them spooky? Thanks!

  • #2
    I just started my gelding on this and so far he isn't crazy about the taste. Other than that, too soon to tell if its going to affect his temperament. He's always a bit spooky and silly so it will have to be a big change for me to notice. I'm interested to see what others say.

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      #3
      Gus isn't thrilled about the taste either, Mrs. C. He loved his molasses-covered Nutrena product. He will now leave bits of his Purina behind.

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      • #4
        Just because I'm a nut about this stuff, I just googled and found a formula for Strategy Healthy Edge. Cane molasses is the 4th ingredient before beet pulp which is fifth. If they list the ingredients in the order of how much is in it, that's too much molasses, IMHO. My daughter's OTTB turns into a raving lunatic if he's given any grain with too many simple carbs. I don't know about this form of Strategy, but the plain old Strategy turned him into a fire breathing dragon. It's like he can't stand to be in his own skin. He does fine on Ultium or Triple Crown Senior.
        "The captive bolt is not a proper tool for slaughter of equids they regain consciousness 30 seconds after being struck fully aware they are being vivisected." Dr Friedlander DVM & frmr Chief USDA Insp

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        • #5
          Several horses on it for months and have seen no change in personality

          First, I will say that we are a Purnia barn. Have feed 1 million lbs over past 10.5 yrs. We have horses on Strategy, Ultium, Healthy Edge, Senior, Essential 32, Race Ready and Well Solve so we do try to feed what is optimal to individual horse needs. We have had no quality, health or change in personality issues when fed properly, i.e. quantity overall and quantity per feeding, right grain for the right horse, etc.

          We had about 8 horse move to the Healthy Edge as soon as it came out. Some from Strategy, some from Senior and some from Ultium. Not one has changed personalities, gotten hot or spooky. And one of the horses is my 4th level dressage Arab/Trak gelding who can have his Arab side come out periodically.

          I assume you also had a change in hay with your move? Has the hay been analyzed so you know levels like the selenium, etc. Might be a change in hay combined with a change in grain? Also assuming that his environment had to change with your move so also look for environmental issues that might be impacting him....something as simple as the change in routine or turnout from his old environment as caught up with him. I would also ask your feed store if there is a PhD equine nutrionist in the area that might be able to do a consultation with you. Or you could try another grain as trial and error.

          Good luck!
          Last edited by stoneymeadow; Jan. 23, 2011, 07:10 PM. Reason: typo
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          • #6
            I had a coupon for a free bag and liked the higher fat. I wanted to put a little more weight on my oldie just prior to winter so he got some added to his Purina senior.

            While he loves his senior, you could just tell he he did not like the Healthy Edge. He kept looking at me like I was trying to poison him.

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              Originally posted by stoneymeadow View Post
              I assume you also had a change in hay with your move? Has the hay been analyzed so you know levels like the selenium, etc. Might be a change in hay combined with a change in grain? Also assuming that his environment had to change with your move so also look for environmental issues that might be impacting him....something as simple as the change in routine or turnout from his old environment as caught up with him. I would also ask your feed store if there is a PhD equine nutrionist in the area that might be able to do a consultation with you. Or you could try another grain as trial and error.

              Good luck!
              Yes, I moved across state, so the hay has changed. It is still a coastal hay, but it is a different coastal hay. I have not had the hay analyzed. It is possible that it is a combination of different hay, grain, environment, and routine. He has lived at many different barns with many different hays, environments, and routines, and this is the most drastic change in his behavior. That is the only reason I was thinking it was a grain issue. I'll have to ask the feed stores around here if they know of an equine nutritionist.

              ptownevt - I, too, was reading the list of ingredients and corn is pretty high up there. Ultium is pricey, but it may be worth a try since I can only get Purina products. Have you tried the Purina Equine Senior?

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              • #8
                Every horse is different of course. I switched my mare from Strategy to the Healthy Edge and she's done quite well on it... actually quieter this winter than past winters (once she got back on turnout). She's maintained weight very well and with her supplements, including SmartShine, she's nice and glossy. That's just my experience and like I said, every horse is different.
                "Beware the hobby that eats."
                Benjamin Franklin

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                • #9
                  I feed Strategy but NOT Healthy Edge. STrategy is 14% protein and higher fat - pellets so no sugar.

                  If it has molasses in it that can make a horse hot. See if you can move him to straight Strategy pellets (Purina). I've fed that from babies to 21 year olds and had great success. Has not made any of my horses hot or scared.
                  Now in Kentucky

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Valentina_32926 View Post
                    I feed Strategy but NOT Healthy Edge. STrategy is 14% protein and higher fat - pellets so no sugar.

                    If it has molasses in it that can make a horse hot. See if you can move him to straight Strategy pellets (Purina). I've fed that from babies to 21 year olds and had great success. Has not made any of my horses hot or scared.
                    Just because it is a pellet doesn't mean it is molasses free, I have seen Safe Choice pellets with molasses in it on the ingredient list. I have never fed strategy so I don't know if it has molasses in it or not, just wanted to point out some pellets do have molasses in them.
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                    • #11
                      I've had no problems with Healthy Edge. Sometimes it is all I can get instead of Ultium and I never notice any difference. Of course the max anybody gets of it is 1 lb per day. Maybe if a person is feeding a lot of it, there would be more of a risk but it's been fine for my herd. The yearling on stall rest gets 1 lb. per day and she's been fine too. She's been locked up for over 2 months now and I don't notice her being any more hyper now than before her accident when she was living out in the field.

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                      • #12
                        Have had hard keeper TB mare on 6lbs. of Healthy Edge p/day and air fern Fatlinger on 1 1/2 lbs. p/day for 4 months and am totally happy with the product. Both have shiney coats, good feet, and eat it up. The only thing it was missing for our regimine was magnesium, so I add 1 scoop of Remission p/day. TB mare was on Fibergized with previous owner and Fatlinger was on local co-op Fat & Fiber blend. So far, so good!

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                        • #13
                          PELLETS DOES NOT EQUAL NO SUGAR

                          Originally posted by Valentina_32926 View Post
                          I feed Strategy but NOT Healthy Edge. STrategy is 14% protein and higher fat - pellets so no sugar.

                          If it has molasses in it that can make a horse hot. See if you can move him to straight Strategy pellets (Purina). I've fed that from babies to 21 year olds and had great success. Has not made any of my horses hot or scared.
                          Strategy is VERY HIGH IN NSC(NON STRUCTURAL CARBOHYDRATES) WHICH = SUGAR AND STARCH...that is what tends to make horses hot,spooky,and erratic...Strategy has a NSC value in the uppper 30% range which is considered high....take it away and see if it makes a difference? or perhaps the move in and of itself has stressed your horse?

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                          • #14
                            I fed healthy edge for a bit- when it first came out, and i got some coupons in the mail.

                            My ottb mare struggled for the first 8-9 months or so I had her- she seemed to hoover everything down and yet nothing stuck and she looked like poop. She had a dull coat and was nasty. Unresponsive to ulcer treatment.

                            I started her on some healthy edge with some beet pulp (she'd live on beet pulp as her mainstay if she were allowed to), and she brightened right up. So i kept her on it for awhile.

                            My other tb/qh mare wasn't doing as well on it- something was missing for her. So i switched her to TC senior, and she blossomed.

                            I liked that TC senior was lower nsc, and to make things easier, i switched the ottb over to see if she'd stay well on it. That was about 4 months ago. She looks fantastic.

                            So, i did have good experience with it, but i ultimately did switch because i found that tc senior worked for both mares and that was just easier to manage.
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                            • #15
                              I have been using it for about 6 weeks on two large appendix hunters. I feed 3# daily plus 1-2# alfalfa pellets. I am extremely happy with the product, and have seen absolutely NO behavior changes. As a matter of fact the horses have been down right sleepy lately. They seem quiet and happy. They are shiny and gaining weight (one was a little under weight prior to starting).

                              Yes there is molasses in it but the overall NSC is 18% which is a nice reasonable number.

                              Both eat it with no problem.

                              I have never been much of a Purina fan but decided to try this b/c it is cost effective and easy to get. I am really happy with it. I spend about $35/month per horse.

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                              • #16
                                I'm feeding 7 horses on Healthy Edge right now and couldn't be happier. Two of them switched over from a local sweet feed (one mare looked absolutely awful on that and was a spookfest). Now, she's gaining weight and she GLOWS she's so shiney. I've got a Morgan, a Walking horse, 2 TBs, an Arab, an Appendix and a Perch on it, none of them have gotten higher on the feed and some have actually beeen behaving much better. Free choice grass hay 24x7, flax as a supplement and the occasional flake of alfalfa are being fed along with it.
                                Kerri

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                                • #17
                                  I switched my horses over from Nutrena Safechoice to the Healthy Edge. It has been over 6 months now and I've had no problems. The horses gobble it down and they look great. I honestly haven't noticed a postive or negative change as compared to the Safechoice.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Hillside H Ranch View Post
                                    I switched my horses over from Nutrena Safechoice to the Healthy Edge. It has been over 6 months now and I've had no problems. The horses gobble it down and they look great. I honestly haven't noticed a postive or negative change as compared to the Safechoice.
                                    Do you feed your yearlings/coming 2 year olds the Healthy Edge? I have been seriously considering it for my boys (18 mo WB colts) If so, how much do you generally feed, and do you supplement with anything? If not, what do you feed them?

                                    I was impressed with the Lysine/Cu/Zn levels, which have always seemed to be touted as some of the most important elements in proper young horse growth. I like that the HE is 18% vs 38% NSC compared to the reg Strategy. Would probably add a flake of alfalfa to up protein and Ca intake a little.

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                                    • #19
                                      LEL, I haven't ever fed Purina Equine Senior. I have found one post on another forum that says that the Purina Strategy Healthy Edge has a NSC of 18% which isn't bad. I haven't used anything Purina except Ultium since our horrific experience with the old Strategy which had a NSC of 28%.

                                      The biggest complaint I have with Purina is that they are not fixed formula. That means they can use whatever is available as long as the guaranteed analysis comes out right. The actual grains used and proportions can and do change. The Triple Crown Senior is a fixed formula; same grains, same proportions every time.

                                      If I had to use Purina I would definitely go with Ultium.
                                      "The captive bolt is not a proper tool for slaughter of equids they regain consciousness 30 seconds after being struck fully aware they are being vivisected." Dr Friedlander DVM & frmr Chief USDA Insp

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                                      • #20
                                        Ok, I have to question this fixed formula thing.

                                        The point of the exercise when developing and producing modern livestock feeds is to end up with something that provides a consistent nutritional profile for the same quantity every time you feed.

                                        Grains do not always have exactly the same nutritional profile, depending on where they are grown, the weather conditions they were grown in, etc., etc.

                                        They can also vary dramatically in price--not an insignificant issue.

                                        This is why companies like Purina often vary the quantities of ingredients (a list of which is on the bag tag) that they use in a run of pellets, say. In order that you are feeding a consistent nutritional profile.

                                        If a company doesn't do that, how do you know that you are feeding consistently?

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