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    My farrier suggested I put my horses on calf manna to help their feet grow. His suggestion was a small quantity, as in a handful a day (one of my hands its 1/4 of a cup). I have also heard it really puts that show bloom on them. A) is this true B) is said amount going to be too much? I know the bag says a lb or two, but I don't want to make them fat/hot. I'm also not sure if this is good for them, but I have heard it used for pregnant mares and foals. Any thoughts or concerns I should be aware of?

    ETA I already have small quantities (the ten lb bag) since I feed it as a supplement to my chinchillas so trying it is not going to cost a 50lb bag

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    You would be much better off using a ration balancer, such as Progressive Nutrition's Grass Balancer, or Triple Crown's 30% balancer, or one of many other good ones (Purina, Seminole, LMF, Nutrena, Buckeye, there are many)

    Calf Manna is fine for that it is, but it's a livestock supplement. Your money is better spent,IMVHO, on a horse-specific product in this instance.

    You'd just need 1lb, unless you have very big, or very young, or very hard working horses.

    Now,that said, it would also help to know what the horses' stats are - age, weight, workload, and current diet
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    • #3
      There is now a calf manna made for horses ....manna pro makes it, can't remember what the specific name is..just saw it advertized in a horse magazine recently but I get so many of them it would take an evening to look through all. I've used the original for years for horses and never had a problem of any kind....came with a one pound fold up cardboard cup and the horse got one of those morning nad evening whenever I had one using it. It does put a lovely bloom on the coat and I never had one get hot on it.
      Colored Cowhorse Ranch
      www.coloredcowhorseranch.com
      Northern NV

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      • #4
        I feed it. 1/2 pound per day. Mine all have great, hard feet (and they didn't all start out that way) huge, full tails and dapples.
        Do not toy with the dragon, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup!

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        • #5
          I would try something like SmartHoof before I tried CalfManna for hoof health. CalfManna isn't meant to target the hooves or horses. It's meant as an all-around livestock supplement.

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          • #6
            I also use Platinum Performance. I thinks its similar...great results!

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            • #7
              I have a youngster now that could use some more weight. I'd like to stay away from adding more grain/sugars since that can add to the risk of OCD issues. My feed store doesn't carry any ration balancers, but it does carry Calf Manna. Does anyone know if Calf Manna is high in sugars?
              Work - feed - ride - shovel poop - repeat.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Live2Jump View Post
                I have a youngster now that could use some more weight. I'd like to stay away from adding more grain/sugars since that can add to the risk of OCD issues. My feed store doesn't carry any ration balancers, but it does carry Calf Manna. Does anyone know if Calf Manna is high in sugars?
                Very high relative to normal RB's. I seem to remember it being around 40%.

                If you need weight, why not try rice bran in addition to his feed? Or some rice bran with SmartVite?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
                  Very high relative to normal RB's. I seem to remember it being around 40%.

                  If you need weight, why not try rice bran in addition to his feed? Or some rice bran with SmartVite?
                  Thanks HB - I thought it might be on the high side. He is currently getting free choice grass hay, vitamins 1x a day, and a small bucket of soaked beet pulp/alfalfa pellets (with 1/2 sc. grain and 1/3 cup oil mixed in) 2x a day.

                  Maybe I should just increase the oil rather than adding rice bran for increased fat/calories. That would be easier since I already buy it in bulk for my old TB - would there be any advantage to using RB instead?
                  Last edited by Live2Jump; Jan. 19, 2011, 02:34 PM.
                  Work - feed - ride - shovel poop - repeat.

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                  • #10
                    What does the horse eat now?

                    The problem with adding just oil, or rice bran, to a hay-only diet (if that is in fact what he's eating) is you are adding calories without first or also adding nutrition. Weight gain is not always just about calories. One can improve the nutritional value of the diet without significantly increasing the number of calories, and see weight gain.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JB View Post
                      What does the horse eat now?

                      The problem with adding just oil, or rice bran, to a hay-only diet (if that is in fact what he's eating) is you are adding calories without first or also adding nutrition. Weight gain is not always just about calories. One can improve the nutritional value of the diet without significantly increasing the number of calories, and see weight gain.
                      Thanks JB, good points. This is what he's eating now:

                      Originally posted by Live2Jump View Post
                      He is currently getting free choice grass hay, vitamins 1x a day, and a small bucket of soaked beet pulp/alfalfa pellets (with 1/2 sc. grain and 1/3 cup oil mixed in) 2x a day.
                      He does get some grain currently (and vitamins), I just didn't want to increase the grain to get more weight on him - that's why I was thinking of using Calf Manna. A ration balancer seems like it would be the ideal solution, but our feed store looked at me like I was a looney when I asked if they carried one (I even brought a list of the product names/companies with me in case they had one but didn't realize what it was). *sigh*
                      Work - feed - ride - shovel poop - repeat.

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                      • #12
                        Live, SO sorry, I do NOT know how I missed that!

                        Honestly, while I know CM works for some folks, it is far and away not a choice I'd make - too many better options, like the Ration Balancers

                        as for increasing the grain - entirely depends on which grain it is Sweet feed? No way. TC Low Starch or Sr or Lite or Growth? Not a problem
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                        • #13
                          We have a horse in the barn that went on Formula 4 Feet by equlife.. WoW great improvement after just a few weeks. I was very impressed and so was the shoer. I am going to go ahead an order some for a filly who has poor hoof growth and we are trying to get some heel on..
                          I can explain it TO you,but I can't understand it FOR you

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                          • #14
                            Can't have terribly obvious changes to feet in just a few weeks, and certainly nothing of any significance when it comes to trimming and shoeing. It takes about 4 weeks to see any new growth in an amount that can tell you something. The average rate of growth is about 1/4" a month.
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                            • #15
                              I don't know about for feet, but I LOVE Calf Manna for pregnant mares. First pregnancy I didn't get as much weight on her as I wanted and got a little thin when the baby was 4 to 6 months. This one I added Calf Manna to up her protein without getting to much grain in her. It was great. She had great weight a super bloom, and was actually gaining weight after the baby was born. Since it's 25% protein, it's really good for broodmares.

                              I just give a taste to the babies and a cup or so to horses I want a bit more weight on. It's worth a try and more economical than trying to get a ton of other feed supplements in them.

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                              • #16
                                But ration balancers are specifically designed for horses, have listed amounts for pregnant mares, so why would one want to use something designed for more generic livestock?

                                If we compare it to TC 30, for example

                                nutrient CM TC
                                protein 25% 30%
                                lysine 1.4% 2%
                                copper 15-35ppm 295ppm
                                zinc 125ppm 940ppm

                                Given that insufficient copper, at the least, has been implicated on DOD issues, why would one use CM for a pregnant mare?
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                                • #17
                                  I would have to agree with JB. CalfManna is designed to be used on all species of livestock, and the nutritional requirements aren't the same. With the copper, sheep are very sensitive to too much copper, so CM is never going to have enough copper for a horse (since it is designed to be OK to feed to sheep).

                                  You really get more bang for your buck with a horse-specific product.

                                  Manna Pro's website does not list a CalfManna-type product specifically designed for horses. They are just marketing the same CM they have been selling for years TO horse owners. But it's still the same product.

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                                  • #18
                                    Wow - Calf Manna - that's a blast from the past. We fed it back in the 60s or 70s I think, mostly to pregnant mares. Can't remember why we stopped feeding it. Probably because better stuff came on the market.

                                    It's called CALF Manna, although I don't remember that we fed it to cows.

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                                    • #19
                                      If Calf Manna is the only thing you can get (easily) then go ahead and feed it. We feed it to our show ponies and they have great hooves, manes, tails and lovely SHINE to their coats. When they don't get it the shine goes away. I have read the ingredients and they are very similar to most ration balancers. Since our ponies eat little grain, the CM is our ration balancer.

                                      Don't get so hung up on % of this and not adequate in that if you have healthy horses the CM will do fine. It has been fed to horses for over 40 years and is STILL on the market. I switched from Farriers Formula to it - didn't see FF doing anything vs. the CM.

                                      If you want to get into all the % then go get ALL your feed and hay tested and your horse tested (hair samples) and have a real horse nutritionist design a program for you. We make it all harder than it has to be. If the horse looks good, feels good, then the program is working for THAT horse.

                                      Obviously, not all items will work for every horse, but no one should have to feed $100 worth of "supplements" to a horse in this day and age of balanced commercial rations.

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                                      • #20
                                        There are much better horse specific supplements out there than calf manna. Calf manna is a cheap all-round livestock supplement. Even fed at 1 cup (or 8 ounces by weight) per day, the levels of nutrients it provides is almost nothing. I just plugged it into FeedXL for kicks and 8 ounces barely makes a blurb on the charts and provides NONE of some of the important nutrients like Vitamin E, B vitamins, Iodine, Selenium, etc.... The only thing it actually provides any real measureable amount of is Vitamin A.

                                        For the money, pick something with a lot more bang for your buck. I love the SmartVite line, and also Equi-VM.

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