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Would you buy a sound 15 yr old with high fused ringbone

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  • Would you buy a sound 15 yr old with high fused ringbone

    I'm looking at a horse I really like,but I think he's got high ringbone.(getting vetted soon)He is 15, sound,barefoot,and I think it's fused(we'll see).He will be in light to medium work,not a serious performance horse.Would you do it if it's fused?By fused ,I mean naturally fused.

  • #2
    Is it front of hind pastern that is fused as hind is much better than front.

    Long-term results and complications of proximal interphalangeal arthrodesis in horses.
    G S Martin, C W McIlwraith, A S Turner, A J Nixon, T S Stashak
    A retrospective study was made of 21 horses in which proximal interphalangeal arthrodesis had been performed. The right hindlimb was the most often affected (52%). Acute trauma was the most common reason for performing the surgery (62%). Follow-up data were obtained from the owners regarding return to serviceability . When available, follow-up radiographs and clinical examinations were reviewed. Of the 20 horses on which follow-up information was available, 16 were serviceable . Of the horses in which a hindlimb was arthrodesed , 86% were serviceable , whereas 67% of the horses affected in the forelimb were serviceable . An average of 1 year was required for return to serviceability . Follow-up radiography of forelimb cases revealed radiographic changes consistent with navicular disease, distal interphalangeal degenerative joint disease, and a bony exostosis off the dorsal surface of the third phalanx; however, these radiographic changes did not correlate well with the owner's assessment of serviceability . Follow-up clinical examination of forelimb cases revealed 2 horses in which the toe came off the ground during weight bearing.


    • #3
      I bought a once in a lifetime horse at the age of 15 years with high ringbone. He taught me SO much and we had 3 1/2 wonderful years showing in reining!! He was going to be retired from showing last year and just used to poke around on but he was euthanized when he developed torsion colic. He was such an amazing horse and I am so glad I didn't pass on him because of his ringbone. However, I knew when I bought him that I wouldn't be able to show him for much longer. If he didn't die I would have been able to ride him for a long time.
      RIP Sucha Smooth Whiskey
      May 17,2004 - March 29, 2010
      RIP San Lena Peppy
      May 3, 1991 - March 11, 2010


      • Original Poster

        Thank you both.He has it in his left front.He's slapped together very correctly,and is part Arab.Fingers crossed for the vetting coming up!


        • #5
          a boarder at my prior barn bought one. vet couldn't believe the horse was sound with the way it looked. she first leased it for few months before making a full commitment. she events him! it's been 3 years and he's still sound

          TQ(Trail Queen) \"Learn How to Ride or Move Over!!\" Clique


          • Original Poster

            Ok....starting to feel more this horse,want it to work!


            • #7
              if you really like this horse, are willing to give him whatever maintenance he might need, aren't looking for a serious competition horse, the price is right and the vet doesn't think you'll have an issue? it wouldn't stop me, if i were in your shoes.
              Different Times Equestrian Ventures at Hidden Spring Ranch


              • Original Poster

                Yes,I'm very willing to do whatever he needs.I'm soooo hoping the vets feels it's manageable!!


                • #9
                  Is the horse currently in the level of work you plan for him? That is one very important thing to look at. If not, I'd try to lease him or do a long term trial to make sure he will stay sound for your intended use.

                  Take rads, get a good solid PPE with an experienced vet so you go into this with eyes wide open. I've had two horses with high ringbone, one was very sound forever, one is a pasture ornament.


                  • Original Poster

                    History,unfortunately is unknown.Was told through the grapevine he was ridden all summer,to what capacity I don't know,nor do I know if this is true.He is to be my first rescue/adoptee.He is getting vetted by a good vet.Big risk,I know.He was solid when I tried him.


                    • #11
                      If he is fully fused it is possible he will he happily pain free and sound. Also radiographic changes do not always correlate lameness well and some ring bone can be inconsequential others can become chronically lame. If the pastern is fused the coffin joint will be taking up additional strain and will hasten coffin joint arthritis. This is often not a concern in hind pastern ring bone and horses often go on to fuse and sometimes remain sound there entire life. However in the front end fusion puts allot of strain on the coffin joint and long term follow ups show changes consistent with coffin joint arthritis and navicular. For your expectations this horse may work out perfectly. Hope the pre-purchase exam goes very well!!


                      • #12
                        Articular or non-artucular? I has a 12 year old develop ringbone. We put him in full 2 degree wedge pads and rolled the toe. He stayed sound and taught my husband to jump 3' courses at the age of 24/25.


                        • Original Poster

                          Praying for non articular.I'll have results tomorrow...ugh,I hope it's good.


                          • #14
                            I would do radiographs at the pre-purchase to make sure there isn't any arthritis starting in the coffin joint (low ringbone). High ringbone, a mostly fused joint, and a sound horse wouldn't bother me if he is currently doing the level of work you want him to do (there is always the risk that increasing his workload would make him lame).
                            The plural of anecdote is not data.
                            Eventing Yahoo In Training


                            • Original Poster

                              Today's the day.I'll let you guys know tonight how he vetted!


                              • #16
                                Good luck he vettes ok for you.

                                We got a horse with a funky looking big scar and ringbone in right front, from an old injury as a yearling.
                                He didn't pass the vet exam.
                                He was sound and we bought him anyway.
                                He stayed sound on that old injury for 20 years.
                                We had to euthanize him at 30 after a pasture misshap to his knee, same leg.

                                No telling how it may go for your horse, you may not be so lucky.
                                To start with a serious problem is not very sensible, but at times it works.


                                • Original Poster

                                  Well,it started out with the vet saying that he's 15 to 18ish,which most likely means the latter. I really don't want to go there .I was ok with 15,but pushing 20 means the heartache will come too soon.The ringbone is very advanced,but he still has some space in the joint.I'm not doing it,but feel terrible about this guys future.I don't have a place for a pasture ornament.If I did I would still get him and let him trail ride and then just rest when the riding became to much.But I'm not in that position.I feel sick inside that he will end up back in the killpen at some point.