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  • #81
    Originally posted by deltawave View Post
    Virtually everyone I know who's brought a horse back from the type of surgery/injury my horse is recovering from is on STRICT instructions from multiple vets (University ones) that there be NO TURNOUT until the horse is working under saddle at all 3 gaits, comfortably and sound. And in this part of the world, even if my horse were cleared for turnout I'd be very hesitant as we have nothing but ice right now.

    No room for "always" and "never" in these discussions, IMO.
    If the horse is not sound enough to be turned out then how is he sound enough to be ridden at W/T/C?
    --Gwen <><
    "Treat others as you want to be treated and be the change you want to see in the world."


    • #82
      best calming stuff Ive laid my hands on is dynamite's easy boy-a combo of mag, vit B's, tryptophan, and something else. SEriously, nothing works like it.
      "to each his own..."


      • #83
        Mine is currently allowed to walk 20 minutes and trot for 10. He's sound at this level, but the vets don't want him bolting, spinning, playing, etc. and undoing the good work they did in the operating room. Which he absolutely would do if he were at liberty. So he is given Ace for me to ride him safely (minus the shenanigans) at this allowed level of work. Once he's made sufficient progress to be doing more trot work and maybe canter, the vets have told me they'd probably be comfortable with turnout, at which time I will probably also sedate him a bit since he is a horse that plays VERY hard at liberty.

        He normally does not do any of the nutso stuff under saddle, because under normal circumstances he is turned out 24/7 like all my other horses. But that is not a part of his regimen right now, so he is in a stall, more's the pity, until he's deemed sound enough for turnout AND until the footing improves. Yes, the stall rest is responsible for the behavior, no question. But that is what he needs to give him the best shot at recovery. I asked the vets about simply turning him out, and in their experience and judgment they think his best chance is controlled under-saddle work (to stretch adhesions) vs. just being out in a field doing God-knows-what.

        After our rides, since the effect of the Ace is several hours, he's allowed in a small paddock for an hour or so under close supervision. If he gets nutty, he has to go back into his stall.
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        • #84
          I know this sounds like an incredible pain-in-the-rear-----BUT, how about finding a situation where the horse can be put in the European/gate-type hot walker a couple times a day? I had to do this with a very big and very frisky mare who was coming off of rest. Worked absolutely great AND I'm sure this method helped her soundness and fitness better because she was able to go out on the walker 2-3 times daily for short walks. Ace was only needed the first time or two. Had to move her to a different barn but it was worth it.

          Oh, and by the way, the person who thinks that anyone who can't walk their big, excited horse should sell it. Get a life. This 17 hand mare actually did leap forward and kick me-HARD. Luckily, got my arm not my head. I honestly think I would have been killed if she had contacted a little higher. This is a horse who I had no other problems with at any time and who won high score 4th at Del Mar and many, many other things. In other words, we had a good relationship in my eyes and in others opinion also. She just was a little too wound up that day. The walker saved my bacon and helped her recover very nicely.

          Herbs would scare the crap out of me. No studies on horses and they are different in many, many important ways. They can't take many drugs that people and others can. I would think they wouldn't be strong enough anyway--if this horse is as rip-roaring as I'm imagining.


          • #85
            Don't have a European hotwalker or any other sort, other than my own self.

            I don't have the luxury of living near any layup facilities nor unlimited time or funds to make that sort of thing happen, alas. Would LOVE to swim the horse to keep him fit, too. But logistics aside, the current plan of WEIGHT BEARING exercise is what his vets WANT, not turnout, not ponying, not hand-walking. RIDDEN exercise to lengthen adhesions. Therefore someone's butt gets to be in the saddle, namely mine and the girl I pay to ride him when I can't get there.
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            • #86
              Originally posted by opel
              I know this sounds like an incredible pain-in-the-rear-----BUT, how about finding a situation where the horse can be put in the European/gate-type hot walker a couple times a day?
              Seriously depends on the type of injury horse is recovering from and the size of a horse. IMO an equiciser is a total no-no for rehabbing SI or stifles. And even in sound horses an equicizer is not all that great for the taller ones, it taxes stifles going round their own axles constantly.
              I come from the land of equicizer overload, and seen it used daily in many horses, but whilst it may be great for some, it's not suitable for all and can be damaging. A straigth length equicizer is better, often used in racing barns, but geeezzz how's got the money for that?

              If the horse will go on it and one doesn't mind the 20k-odd they cost an equine threadmill is very helpful for rehabbing. Wished I had on of those, but can't seem to convince hubby.


              • #87
                Originally posted by caballus View Post
                If the horse is not sound enough to be turned out then how is he sound enough to be ridden at W/T/C?
                You dont start with full blown W/T/C work when bringing horse back from rehab. You start with a month or two, or three of walking under the saddle, gradually adding time.
                Most soft tissue injuries require horse to be moving to keep tendons working and lubricated, so either you handwalk until you drop dead or walk under the saddle. Many horses are easier to control under the saddle, and lets face it, handwalking for 40 minutes is somewhat a major task.

                You bet I drugged Jaxon when bringing him back after a year of pasture rest, tendon surgery and 60 days of stall rest, and I stuffed his ears and I put him in a twisted wire bit.

                Now that I think of it, I should have probably sold him, since obviously I cannot handle the beast without drugs Any takers for 10yo gelding with torn DDFT and very bad prognosis from UC Davis?


                • #88
                  I suppose I'm opening a huge can of worms here..................but the goal is to recover a horse from a serious injury without getting into a bucking, spooking situation where all healing will be ruined. I am not suggesting this as a goal to train a horse or start a horse or work a horse. BUT would it help to use draw reins or something similar to help with control--in this situation? I have not used draw reins much at all--so I honestly don't know--but I'd be considering it if I was in this situation and if I thought this horse would respond OK to the draw reins.


                  • #89
                    Originally posted by opel View Post
                    I know this sounds like an incredible pain-in-the-rear-----BUT, how about finding a situation where the horse can be put in the European/gate-type hot walker a couple times a day?
                    Unless you own a horse who is so terrified of hotwalkers, he jumped out of two of them now One being in a barn, where we boarded for a year and he DID NOT get used to the look or sound of the evil machine.
                    The second escape happened in a rehab facility. In my wildest dreams I could not imagive it was even possible for my lame dressage horse to jump 5ft wall from a standstill. So, to the torn tendon injury we had to add stitches on his eye, scratches and cuts all over his body (he decided to take a good gallop over the hill and through bushes immediately following the escape,) and even bigger fear of evil hot walkers.

                    I have one very special horse.


                    • #90
                      Draw reins are nice if the horse chucks his head UP. Not nice if they act out by chucking their head DOWN before they spin and bolt, o no precious, not nice at all.
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                      • #91
                        I was hand-walking a moronic Trak who reared and tore my rotator cuff. And I didn't even get to show off my (obviously) poor riding skills to do it!

                        I aced my boy on the first two days after bringing him back into work and then concluded that he was going to be sensible enough to skip it thereafter. Had he proven me wrong, I would have immediately hopped off and stuck him again- it's not worth having 1300 lbs of crazed beast trying to reinjure himself (or me!) to prove what a great rider I am.

                        As for Shen Calm- I was given a tub to try for free on my neurotic dog- I think it actually made him angry. I stopped and within a couple of days he was back to being his normal sweet (albeit neurotic) self. Not a conclusive study by any means, but there is no way I'd let that stuff near my already-angry horse!
                        You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that won't change its shape. Jets to Brazil


                        • #92
                          IIRC for calming the horse with aggressive tendencies, they suggest 'Liver Happy' instead of 'Shen Calmer'. I used that one too a few years back on my aggressive TB, but didn't work either.


                          • #93
                            A good horse person should have a horse at their level of riding. If you can't handle the horse, or aren't smart enough to come up with methods to ride the horse without tranq, then you should really reconsider what u r doing!
                            That's awesome because some horses really change on stall rest. Many, many, many horses have been successfully rehabilitated with the help of Ace with no injury to horse or rider or long term negative effects.

                            And many, many horses have been reinjured when they were not tranqued and ended up going ballistic and getting hurt.

                            I think I'll take being a sucky rider....