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  • Chinese Calming Herbs

    Has anyone used this? Effective, or not effective? What is in it? Where did you get it? Cost?

    My vet recommended "Chinese Calming Herbs" for a stall rested horse. The packaging does not have ingredients listed and the price is $105.

    Wondering about this product.

    Thanks!

  • #2
    I would not buy anything, nor feed it to my horse, without knowing what's in it, no matter what it's called. And I certainly would not spend $100+ for the privilege of playing Russian roulette with unknown substances! Holy cow.

    Ace powder from Farmvet.com: $45 for 125 doses.
    Click here before you buy.

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    • #3
      Reserpine, which your vet can research on the veterinary BB's is way less expensive than that for a month's worth of dosing for a 1500# horse.

      It's good effects and drawbacks are chronicled there by knowledgable, active practitoners.
      Taking it day by day!

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        #4
        Been there, done that. The horse is already on Reserpine, and it is not doing a thing. Thankfully, none of the side effects, either. Same horse also occassionally gets 3cc Ace when the cartwheels get really big! Vet is aware and approves of how I am dosing high adrenaline horse.

        Vet recommended the Chinese Calming Herbs in hopes of stopping the cartwheels that the horse wants to do in it's stall. Vet is a USET Vet, and they say that they have many clients that have used CCH with good results.

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        • #5
          Sounds like the herbs may be from a place in Florida. If so, it is very reputable and certainly worth trying. Doesn't work for every horse but certainly worth trying.

          I certainly would not go give a horse a tranq like Ace then go ride it. I would sell a horse before doing that!

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            #6
            Horse is on stall rest. Can you tell me more about those herbs? I'd love to hear more!

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            • #7
              [QUOTE=davistina67 I certainly would not go give a horse a tranq like Ace then go ride it. I would sell a horse before doing that![/QUOTE]

              What you are telling us is that you have never brought a horse back from an extended lay up!!!!

              They are pretty unsaleable then!!!!

              Brought them back and am still alive!!!!!
              Taking it day by day!

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                #8
                Yeah, I was thinking the same thing!

                Certainly wouldn't be riding a post lay-up horse without! I like my life! Plus, I certainly wouldn't want to undo all of the healing that the lay up had done. Doh!

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                • #9
                  Where are you located?

                  Hey Fantastic,

                  Where abouts are you located? I have a FANTASTIC (pun intended lady that I use that travels to your barn, and sells a great line of Herbs for horses. I'm a vet tech, and we're a naturally skeptical bunch, but I've put all of my horses on her Herbal program, and my horses look and feel great! Everything from my 9 month old Hanoverian colt, to my 19 year old TB gelding! Their coats are shiny and nice, even in this nasty weather, they're keeping their weight without a struggle (and boy was that a problem) and they've never been this focused while in work. She's even gotten my CRAZY 7 year old DWB mare to quit her amazing "Airs Above Ground" and mareish antics and also has her joints doing great! I haven't had to have her hocks injected since.

                  If you want more info, please PM me. I'd be happy to share the info. All of the herbs are listed on the back of the bags, so you know what's in them, and the company that makes the blends of herbs has strict quality control standards. (One of the reasons I chose them.)

                  The other reason being that I don't have to "guess" what my horses need. I am no herbalist, so having a knowledgeable individual to help was a definite plus. She uses muscle testing, and puts each individual horse on only the blends they need.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vicarious View Post
                    What you are telling us is that you have never brought a horse back from an extended lay up!!!!

                    They are pretty unsaleable then!!!!

                    Brought them back and am still alive!!!!!
                    Give Ace to a horse you ride? And your vet knows this? Time for a new vet! If you aren't a good enough horse person to ride a horse without Ace, stall rest or not, then sell it. If need be, have someone pony you when you come off stall rests. That's what most vets around here recommend for hotter horses instead of giving a tranq and riding.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Fantastic View Post
                      Been there, done that. The horse is already on Reserpine, and it is not doing a thing. Thankfully, none of the side effects, either.
                      You might want to carefully titrate the dose upwards, then.
                      "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                      ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sorelle Farms View Post
                        ... having a knowledgeable individual to help was a definite plus. She uses muscle testing, and puts each individual horse on only the blends they need.
                        Well *that* should have had a spew alert with it...
                        "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                        ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                        • #13
                          Wait, someone could tell these herbs are made in Florida from what's posted here? And statecthey are safe and effective based on that? Wowee, it doesn't take much to sell a product, I guess. Just call them "Chinese herbs" even though they are apparently Floridian.

                          My horse coming off stall rest is getting 60-80mg of oral Ace an hour before his daily ride. That's a lot. Keeps his hooves on terra firma and my butt in the saddle. Would I rather not use it? Yes. But it does the horse no good to spin and bolt for 30 minutes a day and me no good to be dumped on my head. Wouls I show him or jump him on it? Hell no. But walking and trotting in an indoor is working out fine.

                          Risk vs benefit = using it in my situation.
                          Click here before you buy.

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                          • #14
                            Hang on. Can you use "naturally skeptical" and "muscle testing" in the same post without violating the laws of irony and oxymoron?
                            Click here before you buy.

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                            • #15
                              I'm guessing it's Shen Calmer.
                              Tried it, did not work, but apparently in some horses it does, sadly not for my guy.

                              http://www.tcvm.com/successstory/shencalmer.htm

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Fantastic View Post
                                Been there, done that. The horse is already on Reserpine, and it is not doing a thing. Thankfully, none of the side effects, either. Same horse also occassionally gets 3cc Ace when the cartwheels get really big! Vet is aware and approves of how I am dosing high adrenaline horse.

                                Vet recommended the Chinese Calming Herbs in hopes of stopping the cartwheels that the horse wants to do in it's stall. Vet is a USET Vet, and they say that they have many clients that have used CCH with good results.
                                Somehow I doubt that a 'USET vet' would suggest that you use 'something' without knowing what it is, and how long it stays in the system.
                                Some drugs stay in the system for a very long time. Could be embarassing and costly to show the horse after recovery and then find out that it tests for a bazillion illegal drugs that won't clear out of it's system for another 6 months.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                                  You might want to carefully titrate the dose upwards, then.
                                  Nope! Already getting 4cc, and also already had it onboard in her system, as we are into month 2 of 4 months.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by S A McKee View Post
                                    Somehow I doubt that a 'USET vet' would suggest that you use 'something' without knowing what it is, and how long it stays in the system.
                                    Some drugs stay in the system for a very long time. Could be embarassing and costly to show the horse after recovery and then find out that it tests for a bazillion illegal drugs that won't clear out of it's system for another 6 months.

                                    This is kind of funny, but true! I am sure they know. Of course this stuff would test. It is not sold for use on competition horses.

                                    This vet's clients are all over N. America. They ship in from Canada, he goes there, and also flies around the nation.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Fantastic View Post
                                      Nope! Already getting 4cc, and also already had it onboard in her system, as we are into month 2 of 4 months.
                                      Ah. I had been thinking you were using an oral formulation.
                                      Much easier to play with the dose.
                                      "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                      ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Fantastic View Post
                                        This is kind of funny, but true! I am sure they know. Of course this stuff would test. It is not sold for use on competition horses.

                                        This vet's clients are all over N. America. They ship in from Canada, he goes there, and also flies around the nation.
                                        Well yeah, it was clear it wasn't to be used on horses that were currently competing but it's also clear that you have no clue how long it takes to clear the system.
                                        Also, it's just me but I sure wouldn't be using anything on a horse that I didn't understand what is in the mix.

                                        Why take the risk? There have been FEI cases where the horse was given something months in the past and still tested positive.

                                        Many vets have clients all over NA. Really means very little. Actually often has a negative connotation. Think about it.

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