• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

My barn manager won't feed my horse the way he's supposed to be fed >:-(

This topic is closed.
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Original Poster

    Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
    I never feed more than 5lbs of feed at a meal and actually, in practice, have not fed more than 4lbs. I break it up into 2 or 3 meals. But, the basis of my feeding program is hay. Good quality timothy, timothy/orchard grass and, if needed alfalfa. I add to that, as needed Triple Crown Senior which is a wonderful choice for putting on weight in addition to being a little higher in fat than most feeds and low in NSC (and has beet pulp for fiber). By the way, SafeChoice does not have nearly as low an NSC as TC Senior and it's not a fixed formula feed.

    One example is an OTTB we bought 4 years ago. He was extremely thin. We started him on free choice hay, 9lbs of SafeChoice per day and 2lbs of Empower. I discovered TC Senior last year and he now gets free choice timothy/orchard grass mix, one flake of alfalfa and 6lbs of TC Senior per day in 2 meals. We also have a nice grass mix round bale out in the pasture. He's actually a little chunky on this, but we're just going into winter and he's been off work due to our wonderful , unusual winter weather.

    I know I'm repeating myself, but if your horse is having an extremely hard time keeping weight on with free choice hay and a reasonable amount of a good quality grain, you may have an ulcer problem that you need to address.

    It sounds like you've made a good decision in changing barns. The easier you can make your feeding program for your BO/BM, I would think the more likely it will be followed.

    Dalpal, I've been told there are plenty of barns out there that will just throw out bagged supplements. One of my friends caught the barn workers at her barn throwing out her SmartPaks. Could it be any easier than SmartPaks?
    I think I missed this post till now. Whoops!

    For some reason, I don't know if it's the hay I have or what, but Ivan doesn't always eat all of it. Overnight, he'll get 3 flakes to munch on in his stall, and he always as 1-2 flakes left in the morning. I don't get it. He has eaten 3 or 4 different types of hay so far, and while he will enthusiastically eat hay, he often just won't finish all of what you give him. I give him the option of 20-25 lbs a day, and he really just won't eat all of it.

    By the way, I'm not feeding Safechoice at all. I'm feeding Purina Ultium, which actually is higher in fat than Triple Crown Senior. TC Senior is 10%, and Purina Ultium is 12.4% guaranteed minimum. The vet said the max I need to give him of that in a day is 11 lbs total until he gets his weight up, then we're going to start cutting him back to about 5 or 6 lbs total. He still needs to gain about 50 lbs, then once I have at least that much more on him, I'll start training a bit more heavily with him to hopefully build up another 50 lbs in muscle. Ideal would be to have him at 1000 lbs by summer.

    As to an ulcer problem, he hasn't been prone to them, and he doesn't show symptoms, though we did consider it for a moment. He's really young, only 5, and is still supposed to be growing (outward) for a minute. He never had ulcers before even while under super heavy training at the track, so both his old vet and my vet think it's unlikely that he has them now. It's just so hard to get weight back on a skinny horse when the lows have been in the 20s so consistently over the past month. It's a real uphill battle, particularly when he didn't grow a coat this year after coming up from Florida.

    I'm looking forward to getting them moved down to my new barn tomorrow or Monday. I've got them temporarily at a friend's place that was down the street, and we rode out on some awesome trails yesterday for about 5 hours, taking advantage of all the trails while we were there and the weather was good. Since I'll be the only one feeding at the new place (with it being self-care, nobody feeds anybody else's horses unless you make an arrangement with another boarder to help each other out), that makes things really simple! I will be able to feed him exactly as the vet tells me, no supplements thrown out or anything!
    When life throws you lemons, put on your best Asian accent and scream "Faaack yuuuu Rehmooohns!" (says yours truly, the half-Japanese kid )

    My Pony Blog Dressage & My Horsey Life


    • #42
      I looked, but didn't see what type of hay you are feeding. The horse I mentioned above, did not eat a lot of hay at first either, but sure tucks into alfalfa. You might want to try some alfalfa and maybe hang a hay net in the aisle outside his stall. That's what they are used to on the track.


      • Original Poster

        Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
        I looked, but didn't see what type of hay you are feeding. The horse I mentioned above, did not eat a lot of hay at first either, but sure tucks into alfalfa. You might want to try some alfalfa and maybe hang a hay net in the aisle outside his stall. That's what they are used to on the track.
        Oh, sorry, it's a mixed grass hay. I know it's mostly timothy and something else plus a little bit of fescue mixed in for a longer stem. I want to say either bahia or orchard, but I can't remember. I know for sure it's not bermuda. Probably timothy/orchard mix, with some fescue put in for long stem roughage. It's been a minute since I spoke with the hay guy, but back at the beginning of November I sat in the hay with him and discussed the hay with the hay guy. I want to say he said bahia... but I can't be 100% positive. The barn manager was there to meet him the last time he delivered my hay, so I didn't get to talk to him. I'm probably going to switch to a friend of mine's hay guy since he's closer, and she said I should actually avoid the fescue. I think she said it's more sugary? I don't know where to access straight alfalfa hay other than this place I've heard of that's way over on the other side of Birmingham, like an hour and a half away from me. I have access to alfalfa pellets and cubes, and I've been feeding the pellets out of convenience since you don't have to soak them.
        When life throws you lemons, put on your best Asian accent and scream "Faaack yuuuu Rehmooohns!" (says yours truly, the half-Japanese kid )

        My Pony Blog Dressage & My Horsey Life


        • #44
          If I didn't know better, I'd think we boarded at the same facility! I finally became so fed up that I decided to move. I don't like to barn hop but my horse's care is my #1. Trying to get through to BO was like talking to a brick wall. While I'm not dealing with the loss of Ultium, my feed is quite expensive as well and I am experiencing the same ordeal, yet I have a skinny horse (who is NOT a hard keeper). Do what is best for your horse and move. Thanks to the people here on COTH I was encouraged to put my horse's needs before mine and do the same


          • #45
            good for you for moving! I had the opposite but similar problem. I had a 3 year old mare who was a great weight. I moved her to a small 4 horse barn near me and had her on the same amount of grain as she was on at the trainers, about half a scoop of reg pellets 2x a day.She was only 15 hands and built very dainty. She was in light to moderate work, mostly groundwork and was just developing actual muscles. Well the woman who owned/ran the barn had 2 fat horses. I mean fat deposits everywhere they were really unhealthy. I assumed she would listen to my instructions for the amount of grain I wanted my mare to get. Well she felt that my mare didn't have any topline so she needed 3 TIMES the grain to get a topline. Keep in mind she was 3 years old and had been broke a few weeks prior...duh she doesn't have a topline she needed to just grow up and be trained. Anyways got in a few nasty fights about it because she flat out refused to feed her less, I was being cruel and starving her etc etc. So I bit the cost of a months board and moved her out immediately.


            • #46
              I just have a few ideas I thought I might throw out here
              - a horses stomach volume is quite small, between 4 and 6 lbs of feed usually (all kinds of differences between horses and feed weight/volume ratios, but as a general rule that is always what I was taught) when your horse eats more than that some of the feed leaves the stomach partially undigested and will affect the ph and thus the natural bacteria of the hindgut.
              - so is it at all possible that your horse isn't finishing his hay because he's getting a large amount of grain? How long does it take him to finish his grain? I realize its impractical for you to feed him more than twice a day, but maybe its possible for him to have access to some kind of grain slow feeder? Like a NibbleNet but for grain instead of hay I really and honestly feel like horses digest their food so much more efficiently the more meals per day they have.
              -and finally have you thought about feeding pre/probiotics at all? Not as something designed for a horse with ulcers (since yours doesn't sound like he has any) but once you get his grain where you want it and its (hopefully) no longer affecting the ph of the hindgut there isnt any way for him to regain the natural bacteria in his gut without you feeding it to him.
              -I've had really great success with the product SUCEED (its expensive, I know) but I don't feed it as a daily supplement. Only for a week or so when I have a new horse come through the barn and I know they've been stressed out, either from the long trip or the switch to my feed or a nasty colic. Anything that while it may not have been stressful enough to actually cause laminitis, I feel like it did affect the hindgut and thus the horses' overall digestive efficiency. And oh my gosh, do they BLOOM on it

              Sorry for such a long post, I hope I didn't just tell you a bunch of things you already know. And I just want to say congrats on getting your horses out of that barn and closer to home, I really hope it works out wonderfully. Reading this has really made me grateful for a.) my own amazing self care situation for my three current ponies and b.) for their highly efficient little pony digestive systems! I used to get so frustrated managing a barn of hard keeping TBs, and now I jump the same jumps and feed way, way less! Lol
              Best of Luck,
              A student in all things.


              • #47
                There have been studies done by the AAEP, which showed that a very high percentage of horses at the track have ulcers. A lot of them do not exhibt ulcer behavior, but when scoped, they where there nonetheless.

                If possible, break the meal times into smaller portions, more often. Feeding grain three to five times a day, with free choice, quality hay will help get more weight on your horse.

                For most folks, five times is not doable, but three can be. Have you sent samples of your hay to your county extension office? They can analize it for you to make certain that it is not a "filler" hay.

                When I was growing up in Tuscaloosa, I had a mare who was allergic to Bahia hay, so we had to feed Bermuda. Back in the 60's, we did not have anything but Bahia and Bermuda to feed. Of course, we thought nothing of giving a 5lb coffee can full of sweet feed 2xday, either.

                I have a friend who lives in Centreville, AL, who suppliments her horses with alfalfa, besides giving Timothy and/or Bermuda. I am not certain where she gets it, but her supplier gets it from Canada. My friend works in B'ham. TKR, who posts on COTH, is a TB breeder in your area. She could probably give you some good ideas for better quality hay, too, if yours turns out to be a filler hay.

                Please do not discount him having ulcers?
                When in Doubt, let your horse do the Thinking!


                • Original Poster

                  Oh goodness, I'm not even sure why you guys revived this old thread or how someone came across it in the first place. This was forever ago, and by now I have my own farm and no longer deal with any boarding managers. Thanks, but this matter has LONG been closed. I'd rather not dredge up old, bad feelings again by rehashing this thread.
                  When life throws you lemons, put on your best Asian accent and scream "Faaack yuuuu Rehmooohns!" (says yours truly, the half-Japanese kid )

                  My Pony Blog Dressage & My Horsey Life


                  • #49
                    Really old threads have been coming back up a lot lately... not sure why.
                    Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
                    Tinner's Way x Sculpture by Hail to Reason
                    "Once you go off track, you never go back!"


                    • #50
                      Originally posted by BoyleHeightsKid View Post
                      Really old threads have been coming back up a lot lately... not sure why.
                      I suspect it is the "similar threads" box that shows up now under all threads. And people don't notice the dates. Some of the zombie threads that have been bumped up ately go back way further than this one even!


                      • #51
                        Good call to leave this barn. The situation is not likely to improve if you are this far apart in your thinking. Been there, done that. Glad to be out.


                        • Original Poster

                          Is there anyway to get the Moderator to close this thread? The horse I mentioned in this thread died from suspicious causes, and the anniversary of his death was 2 frigging days ago. Every post made on this stupid thread makes my heart ache. Is there anyway to flag it to be closed or deleted? I'm hoping this comment catches some Moderator's attention and that they just close the stupid thread for me.
                          When life throws you lemons, put on your best Asian accent and scream "Faaack yuuuu Rehmooohns!" (says yours truly, the half-Japanese kid )

                          My Pony Blog Dressage & My Horsey Life


                          • #53
                            Report it to the moderators by clicking on the triangle in the bottom left corner of each post. You can ask that it be closed.
                            *OMGiH I Loff my Mare* and *My Saddlebred Can Do Anything Your Horse Can Do*


                            • #54
                              Originally posted by ClassynIvansMom View Post
                              Is there anyway to get the Moderator to close this thread? The horse I mentioned in this thread died from suspicious causes, and the anniversary of his death was 2 frigging days ago. Every post made on this stupid thread makes my heart ache. Is there anyway to flag it to be closed or deleted? I'm hoping this comment catches some Moderator's attention and that they just close the stupid thread for me.
                              I'm so sorry. The horse I mentioned died in a freak pasture accident in June. He was my horse in a million. I'll ask the mods to close it as well.