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FINALLY RESOLVED! Rain rot in very cold weather -- update

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  • #21
    Second or third the advice to air out! The most common cause of rain rot is the bacteria the Vetericyn rep described and it's an anaerobe, so the more O2 you can give it, the better. Get the scabs off- easily done if you gently scrub with warm water first (do you have a bucket heater?). I haven't ever used Vetericyn, but my favorite and most cost effective measure has been good ol' ampicillin-based mastitis cream from my local co-op or feed store (apply once scabs are removed). I also like chlorhex or M-T-G, but just be careful about skin sensitivity with the M-T-G (and take off your jewelry before you scrub! Learned that one the hard way...). I think it was also mentioned, but new grooming tools/washing your current brushes in chlorhex is a good idea.

    I like the MicroTek products for regular grooming/bathing, but haven't ever seen them clear a case of rain rot on their own. I have no idea what their labels claim, but my personal experience with using them therapeutically has not been great.
    Balanced Care Equine


    • #22
      SLW - When you clipped your colt, did he bleed a lot from the scabs getting cut off?


      • #23
        Originally posted by over the moon View Post
        I would like to avoid body clipping my young mare but am starting to seriously consider going that route. Just started browsing some winter blankets online.

        I will give it another week or two of treatments (going to pick up the Gold Bond tomorrow), but with how completely she's covered (she even has some in the inside of her poor little ears) and how bad it is (big, deep scabs... even her legs are warm to the touch from it), I think she might have to learn about clippers and blankets...
        Poor girl! If it's really that bad (if she's warm to the touch in her legs she could be heading down the cellulitis road... no fun!) then it might be worth having your vet out to culture the bugs and treat her with some systemic antibiotics. And clipping (as unpleasant a task as it is) is definitely not a bad idea.
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        • Original Poster

          Ouch, overthemoon! So sorry about your little girl. I hope you get it cleared up soon.

          The Betadine is gone, gone, gone with my guy's bath today. He is fluffy and beautiful -- just when you feel down in his baby coat, there are those darn scabs. Yuck.

          Vetericyn, if you are still watching this thread -- can I spray your product on after using the Gold Bond powder without giving him another bath? I don't want to risk a reaction like the potential Betadine one but don't know when I'll get another warm spell here!


          • #25
            Originally posted by over the moon View Post
            SLW - When you clipped your colt, did he bleed a lot from the scabs getting cut off?
            No, bleeding was not an issue in an overwhelming way. I curryed off what scabs I could without spending all morning on it. Then I used my body clippers and took all his hair off. It was so disgusting and my guy was miserable. Add to that the colt contracted strangles while at that trainers barn. Sigh, this was a trainer I've known for 3 years but the face on the street isn't the same face back at the barn. Now I wouldn't buy a goldfish from him much less send him one to train how to swim.

            If you clip in the winter and your concerned about removing all the hair, use a general purpose blade or one that leaves some hair verses surgical blades.

            And I second the poster who touched on your comment about heat in the legs. Your horse could be developing a secondary problem and may need a round (or two) of antibiotics.

            If you clip you wil be able to manage the skin treatment much better. Good luck.


            • #26
              Thanks guys.

              I just finished talking to my coach's daughter (coach is also the mare's breeder) who is a vet. She also suggested clipping and likely some antibiotics to clear it up. So I'm going to get an appointment with the vet tomorrow (a different one than the one who last saw her and essentially said suck it up till next spring; unfortunately, coach's daughter, who is fantastic, is several provinces away) and I'll be clipping her as well. I guess on the bright side, she'll get a pretty blanket...

              Here's hoping for a speedy recovery! I hope you colt's rain rot clears up soon, fordtraktor.


              • #27
                I am so happy I found this thread! Just moved to W. Washington and have never dealt with this before...getting hit by it hard with all my horses. Ive tried the Micro Tek spray but with the winter coats its just not doing the job.

                "Treat systemically with good, forage based live diet containing immune system strengtheners."

                Can you explain this more?

                "RR every year, I mix about 2 tbsp Tea Tree Oil in about 1 qt mineral oil. Apply heavily and curry in very well. The TTO kills the bacteria".

                Should the horses have anything on top of this? I have a couple mares that will not take a blanket...and one of them is so sensitive to the touch will not let me curry her too deeply.

                Is there anything I can add to the feed?
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by SLW View Post
                  Add to that the colt contracted strangles while at that trainers barn. Sigh, this was a trainer I've known for 3 years but the face on the street isn't the same face back at the barn. Now I wouldn't buy a goldfish from him much less send him one to train how to swim.
                  Gah, SLW! Didn't know your colt came home with rain rot, AS WELL! I'll have to catch you up on more 'scuttlebutt' I learned, yesterday...via my dog groomer.
                  Is it me or do 99.9% of cowboys just look better with their hats on?


                  • #29
                    Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                    Ouch, overthemoon! So sorry about your little girl. I hope you get it cleared up soon.

                    The Betadine is gone, gone, gone with my guy's bath today. He is fluffy and beautiful -- just when you feel down in his baby coat, there are those darn scabs. Yuck.

                    Vetericyn, if you are still watching this thread -- can I spray your product on after using the Gold Bond powder without giving him another bath? I don't want to risk a reaction like the potential Betadine one but don't know when I'll get another warm spell here!
                    Vetericyn works best when applied directly on an open wound, sore, or irritated skin. It is very important when applying Vetericyn that it make good physical contact with the wound or infection. If you are using a different medication or other lotions, apply Vetericyn first, and be sure to clean the area thoroughly prior to each application. All Vetericyn products are pH neutral, and 100% non toxic, so they will not sting or burn with application. Vetericyn should be applied at least twice a day, and up to 4-5 times a day if your schedule allows. If you have further questions please call our toll free number at 866-318-3116. Thanks for the interest in our products!


                    • #30
                      Isn't Veterycin just bleach, chlorine, salt and/or boric acid ?

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                      • Original Poster

                        Finally resolved all the rainrot sans warm weather, which I discovered is quite the challenge. After the Microtek gel and Gold Bond flopped, I did about two weeks' worth of M-T-G applications once a day, then since that did not seem to be having the desired effect I spot bathed that off and applied Vetericyn once a day for about a week. I'm happy to report it is gone and has stayed gone for a couple of weeks.

                        I had to blanket the poor fellow because these things are kind of oily -- I felt that they were ruining the loft of his coat, given that the rainrot was spread over such a large part of his body. To treat them I had to de-loft significant parts of his hair. The combination still worked even under the blanket, though my blanket was a bit nasty with the M-T-G smell!

                        I'm not sure whether it had much to do with the potions or just getting more established on my good feeding (Triple Crown, plus alf/orchard hay) and grooming regimen, but there you have it. Hope that helps someone with a similar problem.

                        The Vetericyn did seem to be the turning point, I have half a bottle left and am keeping it handy to keep testing. I'm impressed. Thanks!


                        • #32
                          MuckItch and a clean blanket (if applicable) every day. Anytime I have a problem, I use a sheet with liners and wash the liner every night with Lysol. Then, rinse, rinse, rinse.
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                          • #33
                            I've done the nolvasan baths, the iodine shampoo, the MTG, listerine/mineral oil mix, tea tree oil, and everything else approaches.

                            Sorry, I'm not subjecting a horse to a bath (of any temp) in winter weather in the northeast...

                            Equiderma WORKS! I don't know why more people don't use it. Not only does it not require bathing (which sucks if you are in a cold climate) but it works fast and way, way more effective than anything else.
                            Horses don't lie.