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Acute lameness - broken bone, extensor tear, ???

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  • Acute lameness - broken bone, extensor tear, ???

    Yesterday Le'Sorna went out with everyone else, running around bucking and playing like normal. They were a bit hyper from being inside due to freezing rain.

    I went out with a load of manure and noticed her having a slight headbob, looked a bit off on the right front. Figured she strained something so I went out to feel for heat/swelling. There was none. Cleaned out hoof, looked fine. Could have stepped on a stone?

    Went on about my cleaning and within 30 minutes or so she was hopping on 3 legs. Got her in, and now there is extreme heat in the hoof capsule. None in the leg.

    Washed foot thoroughly, examined frog, everything looks good. No penetration or other apparent injury. Heel bulbs are cool, front of hoof is boiling hot.

    Called vet and inquired - could she have torn the extensor or broken the coffin bone?? He said to cold hose for 30 minutes, then pack with ice on/off every 20 minutes. Give 2 g. bute and call him if she's not showing improvement in a few hours.

    She ended up laying down all day yesterday. Heat in the foot subsided but coronary band and front of pastern are swollen and tight. She is extremely reactive to pressure at the coronary band at the toe.

    Called vet again, he said regardless of what it is, there is nothing we can do except stall rest, ice, and bute for the night and he can come out today and do radiographs. If that shows nothing, I should haul her to the equine hospital where they can do ultrasound or further tests.

    I've never dealt with an injury like this. Has anyone else? She's a yearling so he said whatever happened, she has a better chance of healing well than an adult horse would.

    This morning she isn't much better. She is stretching the limb out and laying the foot flat on the floor and putting a tad of weight on it but not much.

    I'll have him come out in a bit and do the radiographs and we'll go from there but in the meantime I'm just curious.
    Last edited by Auventera Two; Nov. 29, 2010, 04:40 PM.

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    You are sure it's not an abscess?

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      There are only two things that cause three leggedness out of the blue in my experience. Abscesses and fractures. Since you have isolated it to the foot I would bet on abscess.
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        I know that absesses cause sudden acute lameness, but it was just weird how she was running around bucking and ripping and them bam, lame. Just like that. But yes it would be great if it turned out to be an abscess, I just haven't seen one come on like this and produce this much swelling.

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          Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
          Yesterday Le'Sorna went out with everyone else, running around bucking and playing like normal. They were a bit hyper from being inside due to freezing rain.

          I went out with a load of manure and noticed her having a slight headbob, looked a bit off on the right front. Figured she strained something so I went out to feel for heat/swelling. There was none. Cleaned out hoof, looked fine. Could have stepped on a stone?

          Went on about my cleaning and within 30 minutes or so she was hopping on 3 legs. Got her in, and now there is extreme heat in the hoof capsule. None in the leg.

          Washed foot thoroughly, examined frog, everything looks good. No penetration or other apparent injury. Heel bulbs are cool, front of hoof is boiling hot.

          Called vet and inquired - could she have torn the extensor or broken the coffin bone?? He said to cold hose for 30 minutes, then pack with ice on/off every 20 minutes. Give 2 g. bute and call him if she's not showing improvement in a few hours.

          She ended up laying down all day yesterday. Heat in the foot subsided but coronary band and front of pastern are swollen and tight. She is extremely reactive to pressure at the coronary band at the toe.

          Called vet again, he said regardless of what it is, there is nothing we can do except stall rest, ice, and bute for the night and he can come out today and do radiographs. If that shows nothing, I should haul her to the equine hospital where they can do ultrasound or further tests.

          I've never dealt with an injury like this. Has anyone else? She's a yearling so he said whatever happened, she has a better chance of healing well than an adult horse would.

          This morning she isn't much better. She is stretching the limb out and laying the foot flat on the floor and putting a tad of weight on it but not much.

          I'll have him come out in a bit and do the radiographs and we'll go from there but in the meantime I'm just curious.
          Is she in more or less pain on soft ground?

          I ask because IF it's a coffin bone fracture then it tends to be worse on soft ground. Likewise IF there's a coffin bone fracture the management of the horse would be entirely different to IF it had an abscess.

          I don't know why your just doing phone diagnostics and phone treatment with your vet ? Likewise I don't understand why you're not getting him coming out because IF there's suspicion of a fracture then he needs to get out with an x ray machine and pronto.

          It's absolute tosh to say there's nothing to do other than rest and ice. He doesn't even know what's wrong!

          Ice and rest might be for suspect laminitis or to reduce other inflammation but IF it's an abscess then ice isn't going to be doing it much good.

          IF it's a fracture and dependent on where it is then the horse's foot might need to be immobilised with special shoes and sometimes with a full bar and quarter clips at the back to keep weight and pressure off the sole.

          I'm thinking from your description that it's less likely to be extensor injury as it's not normal for the horse to be as unsound and not want to stand at all.

          Recumbent all day would be serious concern to me and would always indicate an emergency vet call out.
          Last edited by Thomas_1; Nov. 15, 2010, 02:52 AM.

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          • #6
            The vet is not dismissing this out of hand - she seems to be giving reasonable treatment with a very, very short window of "if no improvement I'll be out to xray". And she IS coming out today.

            AT, I sure hope it's just an abcess. I think they can move to just the right spot, perhaps with the help of some vigorous movement, so that it's pretty instantly 3-legged painful. Not common at all, I wouldn't think, but I'd think it can happen.

            Another option is a torn collateral ligament. Fractured navicular bone?

            Fingers majorly crossed it's nothing fractured/broken/torn!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Thomas_1 View Post
              Is she in more or less pain on soft ground?

              I ask because IF it's a coffin bone fracture then it tends to be worse on soft ground. Likewise IF there's a coffin bone fracture the management of the horse would be entirely different to IF it had an abscess.
              Just an FYI, when my guy broke his coffin bone he was actually WORSE on HARD ground. I also know of another horse who has an old coffin bone fracture that if it's aggravating him, it is also on hard ground. That may be the exception to coffin bone fractures, but both were worse when you took the support of the shoe away (and both were symptomatically better with a pad and bar shoe).

              Abscesses and coffin bone fractures def. have different management plans, so the sooner the vet can come out and xray and/or check around for an abscess the better.

              ETA that I see your post saying the vet is coming out today. Glad to hear it! :-) Keep us posted.

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                Originally posted by pharmgirl View Post
                Just an FYI, when my guy broke his coffin bone he was actually WORSE on HARD ground.
                You'll see I said "tend". Though by this I did indeed mean that it's the "norm" rather than the exception. It's one of the observations that helps to inform and indicate whether an x ray might be best advised.

                Reason why is if there's a fracture about centre or on a coffin bone wing, that the soft ground will put more pressure on the sole (the most painful area) than on the wall of the hoof. The hoof sinks into the soft ground; the ground makes contact with the sole, creating more pain.

                What's really vital for the OP to understand though is that IF a coffin bone fracture is suspected that you HAVE to give urgent and immediate attention to immobilising the hoof.

                Worse on soft surface e.g. bedding. An inability to bear any weight on the foot and horse lying down and sharp resistence/reaction to hoof-testers usually tell the tale.

                It often happens with a coffin bone fracture that the owner notices the horse lame and brings it in and it's hopping and sore on the hard surface as it's walking in and then once it's in the stable and on soft bedding that it's really sore and that's why it goes 3 legged and lies down. It's basically because of what I described earlier.

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                • #9
                  And yes I have seen an abscess come on that quickly my horse was a little stiff looking one morning, then bam by the afternoon 3 legged lame and it was an abscess, drained, 100% better. I was lucky, my horse actually had good vet timing, went 3 legged lame and the vet was coming out the next day anyways and then the abscess was right under his shoe and the vet was able to drain it right then and my horse walked off almost sound. That sort of timing and luck never happens!
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                    Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
                    I know that absesses cause sudden acute lameness, but it was just weird how she was running around bucking and ripping and them bam, lame. Just like that. But yes it would be great if it turned out to be an abscess, I just haven't seen one come on like this and produce this much swelling.
                    Well I put my mare out in the afternoon with her pasture mate they ran around then chowed down for two hours and when I brought my mare back in she was so lame on the back leg I thought she had broken her hip or something.......had the vet out the next day and she found a track that confirmed an abcess.......so it can happen suddenly.

                    I think the running around might increase circulation and in turn bring the abcess to a head.

                    Good luck with your horse

                    Dalemma

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                    • #11
                      Oh gosh.

                      Fingers crossed for you that it's just an abscess, A2. Hope she's greatly improved very soon.
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                      • #12
                        I have also seen an abcess come out of the blue that bad before. With raging heat.
                        Have to agree that the two most obvious things are fracture or abcess.
                        Here's hoping it's an abcess! Just a bloody nasty abcess moving up to blow out the top. Those have to feel soooo much better after they blow, the pressure can get intense really fast. I was cleaning a hoof on a schoolie once when the abcess blew (And squirted across the aisle) and the relief the horse felt was obvious in a huge drawn out sigh and all tenseness leaving the body.
                        Fingers crossed it turns out to just be a really aggressive abcess on the baby.
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                        • #13
                          I'll also chime in and say that I've seen an abscess come on that quickly twice. My own older gelding and a friend's gelding. My horse's was oddly in a back foot. I thought he'd broken his leg, he was fine in the AM, dead lame a few hours later when I brought him in. He almost could not walk. Vet suggested soaking, so I did and he was 100% sound the next morning.

                          My friend's horse happened the same way. Fine in the AM at turnout, terribly lame by that PM. We could barely get him up to come inside. We soaked with warm water/epsom salts and he was fine by the next AM.

                          Hoping it's an abscess for your little girl!!!

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                          • #14
                            Jingling for an abscess, as odd as that sounds.
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                            • #15
                              Definitely sending jingles for your girl A2! Hoping its just an abscess!

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                              • #16
                                I'd suggest that you call another vet immediately who can come out and do radiographs and ultrasound. Then you will know what is wrong.
                                I hope the horse is ok, but you really need a good vet.
                                If you bute a horse and it still lies down from pain, it's time for a good vet with his diagnostic tools. you can see the xrays and ultrasounds right on the computer in the barn.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
                                  Yesterday Le'Sorna went out with everyone else, running around bucking and playing like normal. They were a bit hyper from being inside due to freezing rain.

                                  I went out with a load of manure and noticed her having a slight headbob, looked a bit off on the right front. Figured she strained something so I went out to feel for heat/swelling. There was none. Cleaned out hoof, looked fine. Could have stepped on a stone?

                                  Went on about my cleaning and within 30 minutes or so she was hopping on 3 legs. Got her in, and now there is extreme heat in the hoof capsule. None in the leg.

                                  Washed foot thoroughly, examined frog, everything looks good. No penetration or other apparent injury. Heel bulbs are cool, front of hoof is boiling hot.

                                  Called vet and inquired - could she have torn the extensor or broken the coffin bone?? He said to cold hose for 30 minutes, then pack with ice on/off every 20 minutes. Give 2 g. bute and call him if she's not showing improvement in a few hours.

                                  She ended up laying down all day yesterday. Heat in the foot subsided but coronary band and front of pastern are swollen and tight. She is extremely reactive to pressure at the coronary band at the toe.

                                  Called vet again, he said regardless of what it is, there is nothing we can do except stall rest, ice, and bute for the night and he can come out today and do radiographs. If that shows nothing, I should haul her to the equine hospital where they can do ultrasound or further tests.

                                  I've never dealt with an injury like this. Has anyone else? She's a yearling so he said whatever happened, she has a better chance of healing well than an adult horse would.

                                  This morning she isn't much better. She is stretching the limb out and laying the foot flat on the floor and putting a tad of weight on it but not much.

                                  I'll have him come out in a bit and do the radiographs and we'll go from there but in the meantime I'm just curious.
                                  She ended up laying down all day yesterday and your vet still wouldn't come out? Agree with whomever said you need a new vet! I've seen an abcess come out quite quickly but haven't seen the extensive swelling that you described in your latter post. It's now towards later in the afternoon and hope to see an update on your little girl.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
                                    I know that absesses cause sudden acute lameness,
                                    Yep.

                                    but it was just weird how she was running around bucking and ripping and them bam, lame.
                                    And that would be your sudden, acute, lameness.

                                    I had a gelding walk in for dinner completely sound. Not 45 minutes later I went to turn everybody back out and to my horror he hobbled halfway out of his stall three-legged lame and then just refused to move. I'd *never* have believed just how sudden and acute sudden and acute could be if I hadn't seen it myself.

                                    Ultimately, hoof-testers caused an extreme reaction, vet said abscess, dug it out, and the horse heaved a big sigh and walked off almost completely sound. Vet said she loved looking like a miracle worker.

                                    Fingers crossed it's "just" an abscess for your girl.

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                                    • #19
                                      Whoops, also forgot to add: you stated that you had been experiencing freezing rain. Could she have slipped sometime during turnout?

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                                        Originally posted by Carolinadreamin' View Post
                                        She ended up laying down all day yesterday and your vet still wouldn't come out? Agree with whomever said you need a new vet! I've seen an abcess come out quite quickly but haven't seen the extensive swelling that you described in your latter post. It's now towards later in the afternoon and hope to see an update on your little girl.
                                        If that were my vet, they'd been fired that first night if I asked them to come xray a 3 legged lame horse and they said to ice it!!! Of course, I would say, "no, can you come now." If they couldn't for scheduling reasons (already at another emergency), I would wait it out depending on the horse or I would have another vet come out. Either way, I am shocked at your vet!

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