Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You're responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it--details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums' policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it's understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users' profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses -- Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it's related to a horse for sale, regardless of who's selling it, it doesn't belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions -- Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services -- Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products -- While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements -- Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be "bumped" excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues -- Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators' discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you'd rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user's membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

TC Senior - hard clumps

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    TC Senior - hard clumps

    For those feeding TC Senior. Does your TCS always have hard clumps in it. When I buy it, the bag is not flexible at all, it is like one big heavy brick. When I dump it into the feed bin I always get some big clumps that are very difficult to break apart. It isn't even winter yet and I am dreading dealing with these clumps when it is frozen.

    I would change to another Senior feed, but my gelding has been doing very well on it and I can't find a substitute that doesn't have a much higher NSC value.

    Any tips on how to eliminate these "bricks"?

    Our TC Senior is all loose.

    We did get one bag that was hard as a brick (the entire bag).

    The feed store exchanged it. We only had the one bad bag in all the years we've been using it.

    Happy Trails~


      Original Poster

      Thanks. I need to have a talk with my feed store. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me being picky.


        Ours are always hard. We just throw the bag on the floor a couple of times to loosen everything up. Works like a charm. Now, in the winter, when it's frozen, that doesn't work as well. I keep a maul by the feed bin.
        Off Topic Discussion about Life, Interests & Politics


          Originally posted by li'l bit View Post
          For those feeding TC Senior. Does your TCS always have hard clumps in it. When I buy it, the bag is not flexible at all, it is like one big heavy brick. When I dump it into the feed bin I always get some big clumps that are very difficult to break apart. It isn't even winter yet and I am dreading dealing with these clumps when it is frozen.
          Often, but not always.

          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.


            That happens because of the molasses content. You'll find the same hardening effect in Purina Equine Senior.

            Between a rubber mallet and throwing the bag on the floor, you can usually loosen it up.

            Edited to remove the word "high," but I still maintain that compared to many other low-NSC feeds, TC Senior has more molasses than is typical. I don't consider that bad or a problem, it's just a fact. The other ingredients in TC Senior are extremely low in NSC, so on balance, it's a low-NSC feed.
            Last edited by jn4jenny; Oct. 14, 2010, 04:03 PM.
            Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog


              It doesn't have that high of a molasses content or the NSC wouldn't be so low. Part of what happens is because of the texture the and when the bags get stacked its gets very compact, esp for the bags on the bottom. My friend feeds the TC complete and knocking it around on the ground helps a lot even in the winter.


                mine never has unless I leave it in my car overnight in the winter and not in our much warmer feed room.
                There's coffee in that nebula.


                  OP: Yes, most of the time. It is a pain in the a$$. But the horses look good on it!


                    Originally posted by whbar158 View Post
                    It doesn't have that high of a molasses content or the NSC wouldn't be so low.
                    It doesn't have a HIGH molasses content but there's certainly molasses in there as a binder.

                    Find a feed with no molasses in it (like TC Low Starch) and surprise surprise, it doesn't freeze or clump in the winter.

                    But considering how some horses really thrive on TC Senior, it might be worth breaking out the mallet/dropping the bag on the floor instead.
                    Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog


                      That's because low starch is a pellet, how many pellets clump together? Safe choice has molasses in it does it clump together? I am not trying to be rude or mean, I just don't like people claiming it has tons of molasses and that is why it is sticky and clumps, some of that is due to the oil in the feed as well. Fact is that most textured feeds clump together some regardless of the molasses content.


                        Yes, mine is usually a brick; obviously in winter it freezes but also in other seasons when it's been in a stack of bags. My feed store guys are great - they usually get it loosened before loading it for me, especially in winter. The key is not to lay it back down on its side or it will compact again. But my horses love it so it's worth it.


                          I just put the bag on an edge and kneel into it along the side. Breaks it up nicely. It's a little more difficult in the winter but still works. Our guys LOVE the stuff. We have 15 horses on it!


                            I've been feeding it since January and love TC Senior, everyone has noticed how good my old girl looks.

                            Lumps vary and I think it is a result of the bags getting compacted, i.e., if a particular bag is at the bottom of the stack it has more.
                            Maybe your dealer doesn't sell as many so they stay in a stack longer?

                            But I don't find any big issue with breaking it up.


                              our Purina Senior is usually like that we put it in a big resealable tub and break it up with scoop. Even when its hot it is like that.


                                i posted a comment last week about the molasses in tc sr., i notice that it is the 5th ingredient. seems like the nsc would be higher. the ls has NO molasses and according to the tc website it is higher nsc than the sr.- go figure. a couple of the horses i care for are on the senior and it often is a brick.


                                  I spoke, or rather had a few email exchanges with triple crown.

                                  For those of us who now get it from cargill, the way they manufacture it and the way blue seal did is different. thus the bricking. It is the same amount of molasses just added at different times between the two manufacturers.

                                  I have stopped using it. I love triple crown senior, but I also like my wrists. I would spend 15-20 minutes breaking it up. I go through at least 200 pounds a week, so this is not something I want to deal with.

                                  they said cargill is working on it, they are very aware of it. But, in all honesty, there is no way, even if it was in the house, that the rock they call senior is going to work for me.
                                  shame, because I loved it, but not how cargil makes it.

                                  I have found a reasonable replacement, a bit higher in nsc, around 18 vs the 11 of tc senior.

                                  Where I use to buy the tc senior, it was always fresh, like within a couple of days of manufacture. The tc senior I am now buying is dated almost 30 days old. I went to 3 different stores to see if I could buy it fresher. Another reason I won't buy it. My feed store told me, they will only be buying from cargil every other way am I feeding grain that old.
                                  save lives...spay/neuter/geld


                                    Didd you know that some makers of TCS having a Winter Formula

                                    Oh after my first winter with TCS I thought YIKES. I live in the Midwest.
                                    Competed in FLorida for the winter - bought some TCS down there and thought hmmm different-- now yes it was warmer but at the time I go to Ocala we get in the 25 -35 degrees at night. SO I asked the grain store and they told me "Oh Southern States has a winter formula" Seemed dryer to me .
                                    Back before the change to Cargill I had the option from dealers that made it from Kent or Kalmbach. Kent had a winter formula. So now you guys made me think I should find out if the new place does one.

                                    AND NO I AM NOT SWITCHING--
                                    Tried and my horses said" Hey Lady what do you think of the ground "


                                      Timely thread.

                                      Never had an issue for 3 years until the bag I just opened.

                                      I was wondering if it was because of the change in manufacturers?

                                      Very annoying! I had to take a boot hook to break the stuff up. Not even throwing it on the ground worked (neither did swearing at it).

                                      Hopefully this is my 1st and last bag with this issue.


                                        Original Poster

                                        Sorry I couldn't get back sooner. I realize it is because of the molasses and oil (TC Senior has more fat than a lot of the others) and the textured ingredients. But its still a PIA!!

                                        I'm one of those people that like to streamline my feeding process as much as possible. Working through and around the packed together clumps is frustrating and time consuming. I have been breaking it up with a big paddle that I bought a long time ago. My scoop won't even budge it.

                                        Alas, the gelding does better on it. I have tried all of the feeds available to my area and the TC Senior is the one that does it for him.

                                        So now I will be throwing it on the floor, getting a maul, working it on an edge, and talking to my feed guys to see if they can loosen it up a bit before loading it. If I figure out an easier way, I'll be sure to let you all know.