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  • Not allowing 2 buckets in stalls....

    What if the BO won't hang 2 buckets in horses stalls that tend to drink a full bucket everynight? This was asked and she said, they have pleanty of time to drink outside from the automatic waters. So this will make them learn to drink outside and save the water inside.

    What do you say to that?

  • #2
    I would say "here is my 30 days notice."

    That is ridiculous - I would not settle for anything less then my horse having two full buckets every night. Horses do not "learn" when to drink - they just drink when they feel like it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CaseysWhiskey View Post
      ..., they have pleanty of time to drink outside from the automatic waters. So this will make them learn to drink outside and save the water inside.

      What do you say to that?
      BWAHAHAHAHA

      Oh my. That's a good one.

      THEY'RE HORSES LADY, NOT CHILDREN!!!!

      Either they hang a second bucket, you place a muck tub full o'water yourself or hand in your notice.
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      • #4
        Wow. I'd be gone.
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        u get big old crop and bust that nags ass the next time it even slow down.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CaseysWhiskey View Post
          What if the BO won't hang 2 buckets in horses stalls that tend to drink a full bucket everynight? This was asked and she said, they have pleanty of time to drink outside from the automatic waters. So this will make them learn to drink outside and save the water inside.

          What do you say to that?
          I would hope that your notice would make her learn to not be such a ninny. Then again, not having two buckets won't teach your horse to drink outside and leaving probably won't teach her anything, either.
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          • #6
            Gee, can we say lazy? Are there automatic waterers inside the stalls also? And maybe they just don't want to screw with filling buckets up at all?

            Weird.
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            • #7
              If a barn owner made a non-negotiable care statement that was not in line with my personal preferences, I'd be handing in my 30 days' notice. That said, let's examine the issue more thoroughly before jumping the gun.

              In the wild, horses most certainly do NOT have access to water 24/7, yet they get along just fine most of the time--their bodies are built for it. Yes we'd all like our precious darlings to have endless supplies of water 24/7, and yes it's important for horses to have access to clean fresh water most of the time. But does your horse die if you go on a two-hour trailer ride and he can't drink? Does he die if you're at a show and he only gets to drink half a bucket every three hours? I'm guessing not. And it is an enormous PITA to be dumping and scrubbing a second, full water bucket every day or week just because a paranoid owner wants Dobbin to have water that he may or may not be drinking.

              In short, provided the horse is only without water for a few hours, this may not be the end of the universe.

              If it were my horse, my suggestion to the BO would be to hang an additional half full bucket for a trial period (maybe 2 weeks) to see if the horse does in fact drink more than one full bucket overnight. Offer to clean and dump this half-filled bucket yourself during the trial period. If the horse drinks the extra water, then the BO may agree to let you have two buckets. If he doesn't drink the water, then you know it was your own paranoia.
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              • #8
                Yeah jenny! A person who thinks prior to typing.

                When we switched from tanks to the automatic waters in the turnouts - the barn buckets were not emptied as they previously had been. The horses prefer the fresh water.

                It is not out of line for the BO to say the horse will learn. THEY DO!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Just Wondering View Post
                  Yeah jenny! were not emptied as they previously had been. The horses prefer the fresh water.

                  It is not out of line for the BO to say the horse will learn. THEY DO!
                  I hope this is tongue and cheek.

                  So what if a horse does prefer fresh water but still empties it's single bucket at night?
                  I know that my horse loves the well water and would drink more in his stall if it were well water...but he still empties 3/4 of a bucket after dinner between the hours of 7pm and 10pm.


                  30 days notice. Outta there.
                  oh, maybe if the BO didn't provide hay at night the horses wouldn't need to drink so much either....?

                  the body becomes thristy when it is in need of fluids. It's how we keep homeostasis.
                  Next time you wake up at night really really thristy tell yourself that you have to wait for the fresh water that will be available in 6-8 hours.
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                  • #10
                    I provide my own buckets, dump, clean and refill them each morning, and refill them myself each night. No one ever complains about them because they don't have to handle them. With the cold and ice factor weighing in, that could be what is at the bottom of it. If you can do more toward taking care of your own buckets, the complaints will probably disappear. If not, start shopping. I boarded in a barn that allowed only one bucket, provided no water in the turnouts, and only filled the bucket once in the morning (when they were already out) and again at night, even on days that went into the 104 degree range. The horse dying of dehydration colic was not a pretty sight. After seeing that, the buckets stay, or we leave.
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                    • #11
                      My knee-jerk reaction is "I'm outta here" - but there are some mitigating circumstances to consider, first. Is this just during winter when a second bucket possibly freezes solid and is a huge PITA to de-ice? How long are the horses inside vs. outside? And how late is the last barn check to refill the one water bucket?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by purplnurpl View Post
                        I hope this is tongue and cheek.

                        So what if a horse does prefer fresh water but still empties it's single bucket at night?
                        I know that my horse loves the well water and would drink more in his stall if it were well water...but he still empties 3/4 of a bucket after dinner between the hours of 7pm and 10pm.
                        It's not.

                        IF the horse were to empty the bucket fine. As I stated - ours no longer do. The majority do not even sip out of the bucket.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Chief2 View Post
                          I provide my own buckets, dump, clean and refill them each morning, and refill them myself each night.
                          I do exactly the same thing! At one of my boarding barns, the water is drained and turned off so I bring my own water from home for my own little "night check." And I actually bring icy buckets back to my house for thawing overnight (no heat at the barn).

                          Mgmt is fine with my two buckets, because they don't have to deal with both.

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                          • #14
                            I think it depends on the turnout situation. I'd be more concerned about a barn manager who thinks of something like this as an absolute and isn't open to a discussion about what is best for the individual horse.

                            If the horses are outside with access to the automatic waterers 14-16 hours a day, I think that a single bucket for a few hours would be ample, provided the horse isn't a "dunker", or that the bucket isn't always bone dry in the morning. However, if the horse routinely dunks their hay, a couple of buckets are probably in order. Also, if the horse is reluctant to drink from the automatic waterers in his turnout and prefers the buckets in his stall, I would want to investigate why. Normally, horses will prefer water from a fresher source like a waterer or flowing stream, rather than from a stagnant one like a bucket or a puddle. We once had a strand of hotwire installed just a little to close to a waterer, and it took us a couple of days to figure out that the horses weren't drinking because they got a little shock if they touched the float mechanism at the top of the tank while they drank.


                            Also, horses absolutely WILL learn to drink at the time water is presented to them when a source is not always available in their stable or pasture area. I've had numerous opportunities to observe this behaviour when I grew up on a working ranch. I am NOT saying that this is ideal, nor am I advocating this approach when the alternative of providing fresh, clean water 24/7 is available. If it's possible to have fresh water available at all times, this is certainly the best practice.

                            One of my father's jobs as a young boy in the 1920's was to lead the horses to water at regular intervals. It was more practical to take the horses to the water source (he'd ride one and pony the other 3), particularly in the winter time. Once the horses learned the schedule, they drank. Since my father's family was financially dependant on the welfare of their two teams, I can guarantee that the most careful attention was given to the health of these horses. My father's recollection was that their draft and ranch horses often remained sound, healthy, and working well into their 20's- and this is quite a contrast from what we often see to day. (My dad often shakes his head at the horse husbandry practices of show folks and large stables-large amounts of grain and processed feed with no forage, but that's entirely another topic for a different thread.)

                            I also know that it was quite easy to teach our working ranch horses when it was time to drink. In dryer years or during extreme cold, each of our pastures did not always have a readily available fresh water source. Both horses and cattle learned to recoginize the water truck when it headed their way a couple of times a day. There were also prolonged cold spells when keeping water buckets or stock tanks in the barn area was absolutely impractical- at -20 F, they freeze solid in a matter of minutes. Rather than giving the horse a big popsicle in their barn so that we would feel better, we simply led the horses to a freshwater spring that ran regardless of temperature 2 or 3 times a day for a drink so that they actually got water.

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                            • #15
                              I think I'd probably be looking at giving notice, but because any BO that gives mandates like that would worry me.

                              As for the water, I have 2 buckets in the stalls for a couple of mine. No one completely empties two buckets - maybe a bucket and a half. If they are ridden in the evening, they likely will need more for replenishment. I certainly wouldn't want my horse becoming dehydrated because he didn't like auto waterers and drank more inside.

                              But realistically, your horse would be fine under normal circumstances. I would be surprised if any horse ever suffered by being given one, clean, full water bucket at night. Even if it's completely dry he's likely getting enough to thrive. That, of course, is assuming he's drinking enough during the day, is not a 1400 lb horse, and isn't suffering from medical issues.

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                              • #16
                                Mine can have 2 buckets if they want/need them but look at this. Of 3 horses home at the moment, 1 drinks down his water the minute he comes in at night and has to be refilled at late night. #2 barely drinks 3" down over the entire night and #3 always has a couple of inches left at breakfast time. So I'm saying some horses don't need 2 buckets. I am in the dead of winter here and prefer to refill at late night than to hang 2. I serve only hot water and if I had 2 hanging, one would be icy by the time he wanted a drink.
                                Long story short, if I was boarding and the owner REFUSED to hang a 2nd bucket for my horse who was always dry in the morning? I'd be gone.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by CaseysWhiskey View Post
                                  What if the BO won't hang 2 buckets in horses stalls that tend to drink a full bucket everynight? This was asked and she said, they have pleanty of time to drink outside from the automatic waters. So this will make them learn to drink outside and save the water inside.

                                  What do you say to that?
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by jn4jenny View Post
                                    If a barn owner made a non-negotiable care statement that was not in line with my personal preferences, I'd be handing in my 30 days' notice. That said, let's examine the issue more thoroughly before jumping the gun.

                                    In the wild, horses most certainly do NOT have access to water 24/7, yet they get along just fine most of the time--their bodies are built for it. Yes we'd all like our precious darlings to have endless supplies of water 24/7, and yes it's important for horses to have access to clean fresh water most of the time. But does your horse die if you go on a two-hour trailer ride and he can't drink? Does he die if you're at a show and he only gets to drink half a bucket every three hours? I'm guessing not. And it is an enormous PITA to be dumping and scrubbing a second, full water bucket every day or week just because a paranoid owner wants Dobbin to have water that he may or may not be drinking.

                                    In short, provided the horse is only without water for a few hours, this may not be the end of the universe.

                                    If it were my horse, my suggestion to the BO would be to hang an additional half full bucket for a trial period (maybe 2 weeks) to see if the horse does in fact drink more than one full bucket overnight. Offer to clean and dump this half-filled bucket yourself during the trial period. If the horse drinks the extra water, then the BO may agree to let you have two buckets. If he doesn't drink the water, then you know it was your own paranoia.
                                    Maybe the horses in the wild don't have access to water 24/7, but they are always on the move, stimulating the gut. A lot different than a stalled horse.

                                    If I'm paying board, what the heck is so hard about dumping buckets? Isn't that part of the standard care?

                                    As far as Dobbin's paranoid owner? I hope you never have to experience a horse with Impaction Colic, I did. Not pretty and not cheap.
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                                    • #19
                                      One argument FOR having as much water as needed overnight is that they're also often given hay at that point. And horses do need ample moisture for processing hay. Dehydration can contribute to impaction colic.

                                      That said, I don't really get the point of "withholding" water. If you're offering to puchase a bucket, hang it, etc....what does it matter? I doubt this would be a deal breaker for me unless it was generally indicative of the BO's lazy nature/unwillingness to consider options.

                                      FWIW, when my horses were out 24/7 in the summer, they'd go up to the water about 3 times a day--religiously at the same time. In the winter, they'd drink after I fed them in the a.m. and again about 4 just before I brought them in. Would each drain a bucket. I tried putting in 2 buckets (out of concern)...and funny...they just never really touched the extras.
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                                      • #20
                                        If the owner refused to hang a second bucket for my horse IF he needed one, I'd be gone in a heartbeat.

                                        However...another side to this is...many horses just don't need 2 buckets. It really depends on the situation. I work at a 26 stall barn. In the summer just about every horse has two buckets inside and year round Nelson waterers outside. Invariably we empty about 50+ 3/4-to-completely full buckets every day. Most of the horses prefer the Nelsons to the water inside and wait to drink when they're being turned in/out. In the winter every horse has one bucket except for those that have demonstrated a need for two. Those would be the horses who actually drank most of a full bucket or more at night, the ones that consistently leave 2 full buckets have one bucket removed. We never have empty buckets in the morning either. The majority of the buckets we empty are still at least 2/3 or more full. The horses have access to the Nelsons from 8-4:00, then come in from turnout to full water buckets and their buckets are topped off around 8:00pm. This reduces by 1/2 the number of frozen buckets we have to deal with in the morning, and in no way effects the horses adversely. If at any time a horse is found to be drinking more than usual then he gets his second bucket back. There are owners that think their horse needs 2, but in a barn of 26 horses...there are about 4 that really require a second bucket at night.
                                        FWIW - Yes, I have experienced an impaction colic with one of my own horses. It wasn't for lack of water either, just lack of drinking. He had a 50 gallon heated stock tank at the time.
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