• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Horse Sense feed by Virginia Equine Research

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Horse Sense feed by Virginia Equine Research

    Any here use their feed?
    Ran into the rep at Devon this weekend.
    While some of her statements were plain preposterous (she told me that TC Lite caused my mare's metabolic problems... ) I'm intrigued by the product line and would like to find out some real information about it. The rep (again, not the most reliable source given her other statements) claimed that you can tell the difference in your horse within 72 hours after feeding their feed...

    I got a couple samples from them and will offer it to my mare see what she thinks about it. The beet pulp based feed for metabolic horses was very dry. I think moisture content is like 2%.
    http://www.eponashoe.com/
    TQ(Trail Queen) \"Learn How to Ride or Move Over!!\" Clique

  • #2
    I thought about using them a couple of years ago (our local feedstore was carrying their lines at that time), but the rep really turned me off to their company after one phone call.

    Also, they suggest that hay (unless it's chopped) causes ulcers in horses.

    I'll stick to my Pennfield.

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      wonder if it was the same rep...

      she was nuts!

      unfortunately after reading their website closely i discovered they use alfalfa pellets and alfalfa causes laminitis in my mare so that's out.
      http://www.eponashoe.com/
      TQ(Trail Queen) \"Learn How to Ride or Move Over!!\" Clique

      Comment


      • #4
        Rep at Devon told me that the Buckeye Grow-n-Win that I feed is awful & causes lots of problems. Funny but my horses have never looked better. My very horse knowledgeable friend who was farm sitting for me while I was at Devon kept commenting on how shiny & fat everyone on the farm is on such a small amount of feed. No supplements, just the feed.
        I didn't like the feed samples I saw at Devon of this virginia feed. To dry & not the best of smell.
        Producing horses with gentle minds & brilliant movement!
        www.whitfieldfarm.shutterfly.com

        Comment


        • #5
          I used it for a while... will NEVER feed it again. The consistency from one bag to the next was awful and after having my horses on it for three months they all looked terrible.

          Recently found out that my current feed store used to carry it, but dropped it when they came across a bag full of bugs... they called the manufacturer and were told that a batch had not been fumigated... soooo, does that mean they spray it with pesticide after production

          I switched to Nutrena XTN and have never looked back... that was two years ago...
          \"For all those men who say, \"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free,\" here\'s an update for you: Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage. Why? Because women realize it\'s not worth buying an entire pig just to get a little sausage.\"-

          Comment


          • #6
            Makes sense to me

            About a month ago I switched my horse and 3 client horses to this feed. What initially prompted me to try it was two mares who were just not handling the stress of living in a big boarding facility very well. They are easy keepers and without any grass to speak of and the problems with getting good hay this year, I just couldn't seem to come up with anything that felt right for them.

            The mares settled down and started to look so good I switched all the horses over and now people keep commenting on how great they look and how well they are going.

            I've never had any problems with the quality or consistency of the products.

            As far as the benefits of feeding chopped hay---well, that information has been around for years

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by marley View Post
              About a month ago I switched my horse and 3 client horses to this feed. What initially prompted me to try it was two mares who were just not handling the stress of living in a big boarding facility very well. They are easy keepers and without any grass to speak of and the problems with getting good hay this year, I just couldn't seem to come up with anything that felt right for them.

              The mares settled down and started to look so good I switched all the horses over and now people keep commenting on how great they look and how well they are going.

              I've never had any problems with the quality or consistency of the products.

              As far as the benefits of feeding chopped hay---well, that information has been around for years
              Please show me the research that hay causes ulcers in horses. Would love to see the research.

              Comment


              • #8
                There is no literature I know of that says hay causes ulcers---although somebody told me about a study funded by the Australian government that says chaff (chopped) hay was shown to prevent ulcers in horses. No one at Horse Sense has ever told me that hay causes ulcers either. What they did say goes along with everything I've learned throughout my career: grazing horses take small bites, chew thoroughly and swallow their forage with lots of saliva, so it moves through their stomach quickly and keeps the acid down low where it belongs. Long stemmed hay isn't always chewed thoroughly down to a size that lets it get out of the stomach quickly enough, so it sits in there in longer until it's broken down enough to get out, causing acid to pool.

                I'll bet the Horse Sense folks would be happy to expand on this if you give them a call and ask them.

                Comment


                • #9
                  I guess I had better jump in here. Most people actually DO see positive changes in their horse's condition within 72 hours of completed transition to HorseSense. It would be easier to lie and say it takes three weeks, because that is easier to believe if one has never seen the power of balanced, optimal nutrition. I don't lie. People who know me will tell you that I'm the soul of sincerity. My job is to help horses and the people who love them. "We are what we eat." The same is true for horses. Try to learn about feed ingredients: which are fillers and by-products, and which are good for ingestion. Recommended reading: The National Research Council's Nutrient Requirements of Horses[U], Sixth Revised Edition.
                  The enemy of all feeds is moisture. Moisture is where feed deterioration begins. It is far safer to start with a dry product and add moisture (water) at the time of feeding.
                  The feed dealer with the buggy HorseSense had put this product in a dirt floor garage where it would attract bugs and make customers switch to their other feeds. They put the other brands of feed in a good building with a concrete floor, I believe. It is common practice too spray around a storage facility (not on the feed) - and there are safe products for this purpose - to discourage an insect invasion. Most HorseSense clients switched back to the original dealer where they saw no more bugs.
                  The keys to a long, healthy life are good nutrition, a happy spirit and exercise - www.VaEquineResearch.com:)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by marley View Post
                    ...I'll bet the Horse Sense folks would be happy to expand on this if you give them a call and ask them.
                    I made the mistake of walking in there a few years ago to discuss metabolic problems, and I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Biggest bunch of hogwash I've ever heard.

                    JME, but I'll stick with analyzing my hay and balancing the appropriate vits and minerals for my IR mare.

                    I thought the rep was pretty extreme (i.e. nuts).
                    Equus Keepus Brokus

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by marley View Post
                      There is no literature I know of that says hay causes ulcers---although somebody told me about a study funded by the Australian government that says chaff (chopped) hay was shown to prevent ulcers in horses. No one at Horse Sense has ever told me that hay causes ulcers either. What they did say goes along with everything I've learned throughout my career: grazing horses take small bites, chew thoroughly and swallow their forage with lots of saliva, so it moves through their stomach quickly and keeps the acid down low where it belongs. Long stemmed hay isn't always chewed thoroughly down to a size that lets it get out of the stomach quickly enough, so it sits in there in longer until it's broken down enough to get out, causing acid to pool.

                      I'll bet the Horse Sense folks would be happy to expand on this if you give them a call and ask them.
                      No need. Had this conversation with the owner's wife about three years ago when I was intersested in switching. Conversation got turned into regular hay causes uclers in horses and the way you treat them is with one of the Safe Guard deworming products (can't remember which one). Then hung up in my ear because she had a call on another line. That was enough customer service for me.

                      http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...14#post3788814

                      I'm happy with Pennfield and regular hay.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Bad day

                        That was an awful day, Dalpal. I have always, ever since, wanted to profusely apologize! I kept hoping you would guess that there was a serious problem and call me back, but I understand. After switching to the emergency call, I realized that I had not gotten your number first. I was really embarrassed for being such a rude lunkhead.
                        Originally posted by dalpal View Post
                        No need. Had this conversation with the owner's wife about three years ago when I was intersested in switching. Conversation got turned into regular hay causes uclers in horses and the way you treat them is with one of the Safe Guard deworming products (can't remember which one). Then hung up in my ear because she had a call on another line. That was enough customer service for me.

                        http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...14#post3788814

                        I'm happy with Pennfield and regular hay.
                        The keys to a long, healthy life are good nutrition, a happy spirit and exercise - www.VaEquineResearch.com:)

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Horse Sense Feed

                          Horse Sense is one of the few companies that actually uses whole foods in their feeds. I would give this feed company a serious look -- their nutrition is balanced and again with whole healthy foods. They are the best of the best. Forget the other suppliers --Pellets, distillers grains, soybean meal and wheat middlings are fillers that all owners are paying for that harms horses. Eventually you will see what I am talking about. Hopefully your horse will not suffer.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Seems like it could be a good feed. But I'll stick with what works for me, hay, grass, TC 30%, alfalfa pellets, TC SR, and flax. My horses all seem shiny and healthy...but maybe I'm blind
                            come what may

                            Rest in peace great mare, 1987-2013

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X