• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Calling all you de-worming experts!

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Calling all you de-worming experts!

    I've read an awful lot of threads on here on the NWTs and general de-worming, and still am not quite sure where to start.

    2 months ago, I bought a horse down here in Guatemala...I'm assuming his worming protocol has been about as good as the rest of his care, aka not so good. I dewormed him with a Central American Iver product, called Ivequin. The "vet" I bought it from told me to do half a tube then, and the other half in 3 weeks. Did that...probably shouldn't have. Looking at the tube, it carries 30g of Ivequin, which is apparently the dose for a 450 kg horse, maybe about 1000 lbs. So he got a dose for a about a 500 lb horse each time. My horse is small, but not small enough for this to be effective...I think.

    The packaging on the Ivequin says that the 30g carries 180mg of Ivermectin, 40 mg of Vitamin B2, 500mg of Praziquantel and 30g of Excipientes c.s.p. (no clue what that translates as, sorry).

    So the second dose was given about 5 weeks ago. I'm convinced he has the NTWs...he has absolutely atrocious rain rot, scratches, random flaky patches, and some odd nodule type things on his shoulders. One of my friends is bringing me back Equimax, which I have been planning on double dosing with as soon as I can get my hands on it. She is also bringing me a normal Ivermectin as well as a pyrantel paste.

    But now I have a few concerns. Where/what do I start with? Do I start with an Equimax DD? Or with a double dose of Ivermectin? Or the pyrantel? Or with a PowerPac...if I can even come across that? What would be the best dewormer to sort of "gently" introduce a regimen? I REALLY don't want to cause a big die-off/back up and have him colic, as my vet accessibility is extremely limited. But I also don't want to help these buggers become resistant.

    I think he does have a serious problem with worms/parasites because I've been trying to put weight on him since I got him 2 months ago, and if anything, he's probably lost weight. He goes out on grass all day, has dried cornstalks or fresh-cut grass in front of him at night, and gets about 2 lbs of corn in the morning, and about 2 lbs of bran mash with a little bit of corn mixed in at night. The options for vitamins/supplements/grain/hay are rather non-existent down here, but I'm trying to do my best by him and it's really troubling me that I can't get weight on him.

    I just fashioned my own homemade weight measure tape, rather ghetto-tastic but should serve its purpose. Hopefully some of you experts (EqTrainer, you out there?) have made it this far down. I appreciate any input, thanks.

  • #2

    I think this requires some expertise, so bumping


    • Original Poster

      Thank you, much appreciated. At this point I'm leaning towards a PowerPac, but that's only if I can find one down here...the "specialty" equestrian store in the capital doesn't have it, just called and asked. If I can't get a PP, I'm thinking a single dose of Equimax. Thoughts?


      • Original Poster

        Shamelessly getting this back on the front page. Anyone?


        • #5
          A Power Pack and a dose of Equimax are not at all the same thing. If you can't find a Panacur Power Pack or Safeguard Power Dose, then either use Quest, or use individual tubes of fenbendazole (Safeguard, Panacur) and dose accordingly - it's just a whole lotta tubes LOL

          If you KNOW there is a large load, or strongly suspect it, then if you're leery of causing a large, damaging die-off, then use a full dose of fenbendazole or pyrantel pamoate, then 4 weeks later use ivermectin or moxidectin.

          But if it's just a high load, a full dose of ivermectin or Equimax is usually find.

          Instead of whatever weight tape, use this formula to make sure, and then be generous by a couple hundred pounds to make absolutely sure you don't under-dose.
          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


          • Original Poster

            Thank you, JB.

            Of course, a PP and Equimax aren't at all the same thing - I'm just trying to figure out what my best option is, especially considering what extreme limited access I have to anything other than Ivermectin.

            Supposedly my mom wants to come visit me in a few weeks, would it be better to wait and have her bring me a PP or go ahead and give him the pyrantel pamoate now, followed 4 wks later by Iver?

            Since I suspect he has a large load, I like that idea...but I wish I had a PP now. Would be SO much easier if I could do FECs and see where we're at, sigh.


            • #7
              His diet is VERY unbalanced; I know your choices are limited, but is there anyway you can order a proper vitamin/mineral supplement online? The bran has a lopsided calcium to phosphorus ratio and I would discontinue this immediately. The corn isn't that great either, but if that's your only calorie choice then you can work with it. There's nothing in there that is balancing out the rest of his vitamin/mineral needs. This is almost CERTAINLY contributing to the chronic skin problems, weight loss and other issues you are having.

              Certainly keep pursuing the worming protocol, but you need to do your best to try and get the diet under control. What other feedstuffs do you have access to?


              • Original Poster

                Thanks Meadow. My options as far as foodstuffs are SUPER limited, ugh. They have something they call "granillo" that you can feed horses, apparently it has a lot of flour?! It's super refined looking, almost a powder. I went with the bran instead for the time being.

                What is really frustrating is that none of these 100 lb bags of anything have nutrients/ingredients listed. Apparently there is a guy who can get bags of what they call concentrado (they call dry cat and dog food concentrado as well). I'm assuming it might be the closest thing to a grain, I would hope. I'll check back with him tomorrow. He has no idea what it is made out of, but said he could get me a bag. Of course, only sold by the 100 lb bag. If I open it, I buy it...and a bag costs as much as 1/3 of my month's rent, but that's ok. I'll make it work.

                My mom is trying to come visit me in a few weeks, so I can have her bring whatever. Any recommendations on a vit/min supp?

                Is there anything I might be able to come across to help balance his diet other than a supp? I certainly am a fan of supplements, but I'm just curious how else to come across other vitamins and minerals.

                I can get flax down here, veg oil...

                ETA, this isn't a change in his diet, as far as I know. There really aren't other options here, especially for someone who doesn't know any different. Also, his scratches are totally gone, and his coat looks decent in general, no hair loss. He just has some rain rot and flaking skin on his rump. I moved him about 2 weeks ago because he had been standing out in the rain and mud all day because the girl I was paying wasn't taking him to pasture. I found a new place with a little roof shelter, and I do all the work myself. He already looks better.


                • #9
                  Hi LulaBelle:

                  Glad you got some help on the worming issue. I was just going to suggest if your mom is coming, to get a whole boatload of things to help you . . . . I'd ask for a year's worth of wormers, maybe some banamine, etc. since you're out on your own.

                  Also, Meadow can correct me if I am wrong, but I think you could use alfalfa pellets to correct the ca/P ratio with the bran. I don't know if you can get them there, but they are easy, store great, and would increase your protein content. I have used them with bran and corn to put weight on a horse I bought in winter who was underweight .