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    Random rage in gelding

    I have a 10 year old warmblood who has stopped showing for a bit. I’ve owned him three years. When I bought he he was being given depo and we continued until last October when the safety of administration became and issue. Since then he is (obviously) less quiet, tougher to ride. But he also randomly will exhibit explosive rage in the field wi th his pasture mates - chasing them with the whites of his eyes showing, resulting in him dripping with sweat and having to be brought in. This has happened randomly about three times in ten months. When he is brought in, he is visibly upset by his behavior and very worried. He is NOT an aggressive horse on the ground. He’s sweet, albeit a little pushy. Has anyone ever seen anything like this?

    I'd be getting a vet workup, ASAP. He could have a brain tumor, he could be in pain, any number of things.


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      My vet has been involved. We were just brainstorming last night about tumors and /or possible cryptorchid.


        For safety, i would do solo turnout.


          Yeah, solo turnout and I wouldn't be riding him without an answer either.

          I am guessing pinched nerve somewhere that only happens under specific circumstances or tumor.


            I was going to suggest cryptorchid --but your vet already there --I think that can be diagnosed by a blood test --used to haul a nut-case gelding (only a couple of times) that "smelled wrong." He would load fine, but kick in the trailer and sit on the butt bar --he, like your horse was randomly aggressive toward others and his owner. I kept telling the woman who owned him to have him checked --seriously --he smelled wrong --not horsey or grassy --but stronger --like a dog when it's afraid --very musky. Turned out he was cryptorchid --so the owner donated him to a handicapped riding program, where he did not work out, but a volunteer there took him and I hear he's doing ok with her in a solo environment.


              Definitely test his testosterone as a first step but some geldings still act a bit chemically imbalanced for lack of a better term. I don’t know if safer forms of hormones would help.


                What herd mates is he turned out with?

                My gelding cannot be turned out with my mares. He chases them and gets them agitated. I tried taking him camping. He chased my mare all night long, that was before I realized it's a reoccurring issue. In his case, he gets agitated about something else - neighbors moving around, bugs biting, etc and decides to go after the mares. I blame it on getting gelded late and his anxiety issues.


                  Originally posted by Foxglove View Post
                  I was going to suggest cryptorchid --but your vet already there --I think that can be diagnosed by a blood test --used to haul a nut-case gelding (only a couple of times) that "smelled wrong." He would load fine, but kick in the trailer and sit on the butt bar --he, like your horse was randomly aggressive toward others and his owner. I kept telling the woman who owned him to have him checked --seriously --he smelled wrong --not horsey or grassy --but stronger --like a dog when it's afraid --very musky. Turned out he was cryptorchid --so the owner donated him to a handicapped riding program, where he did not work out, but a volunteer there took him and I hear he's doing ok with her in a solo environment.
                  That was not where I expected that story to go
                  why did she think a randomly aggressive horse would be good around handicapped?


                    The former friend in my post (and we were great friends for 30+ years) has often a topic of my whining on COTH --while in her (and my) younger years --we seemed to be greatly alike in our love of horses, knowledge, skill, and goals, gradually she changed, or I did. For too long I over looked the changes and kept trying to get the old vibe back -but gave up (with the help of COTH) and let the friendship die a natural death. I posted just too many times about the differences between us that made me angry/unhappy/irritated. Donating the psycho horse to a handicapped program was one of her (too many to list) questionable actions. Having said that, the organization that accepted the horse had a long solid history of a great program. There were many vets and resources available to evaluate horses. It may well be they "try them all" then weed out what works and what doesn't after a trial period. The horses that are not suitable are placed elsewhere --and any profit made is put back into the organization. And in fairness, at our farm we had a nice-on-paper OTTB that simply did not work out in our jumping program --great on the flat, but never figured out that white poles needed to be jumped not stepped over --we kept trying for 3 years then donated him to a college equestrian program where he excelled in dressage. Happy horse, happy us. We filled his stall with a horse that took my daughter to Intermediate 3-Day competition.

                    It may well be the subsequent owner of the Psycho Horse had him treated successfully.

                    And no worries that my former friend will continue to make questionable horse decisions --or irritate me. I have heard she has given up riding, although still has two horses on her farm (I see them in the pasture, very fat horses); and we are no longer in contact on any level --every now and then I do have a random thought --Oh, I should tell Mary . . .but then I think about all the baggage that Mary brings with her any time we ever talked --not since last spring . . .and the thought goes away . . .


                      Is he on MSM? There are threads about how that can really cause bizarre, even aggressive behavior. I experienced it first hand, and it’s real.


                        Originally posted by myalter1 View Post
                        When I bought he he was being given depo and we continued until last October when the safety of administration became an issue.
                        Obviously there was a reason he was on depo. I would be pursuing that line of inquiry for finding a reason for the behavior.


                          I have a gelding who started attacking his senior pasture mate... treated him for gastric ulcers... now he can still be a little bit of an ahole... he's nothing like he was.. no more attacking. I treated him with OTC Nexium and would not hesitate to do it again if he started beating up my old man again.,
                          Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
                          Quiet Miracle 2010 16.1h OTTB Bay Gelding
                          "Once you go off track, you never go back!"