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    Honestly I'd still really like to know what the deal with vegetable oil is! 10 pages and still no resolution. What is the deal!?

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      Originally posted by kashmere View Post
      Honestly I'd still really like to know what the deal with vegetable oil is! 10 pages and still no resolution. What is the deal!?
      It causes ulcers, Lyme disease, kissing spine and navicular.

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        Originally posted by cattywampus View Post
        This is really unfortunate, because I finally managed to track down this guy I know who knows A LOT about this stuff.

        (He's really hard to get in touch with, because he's totally off grid and it takes a lot of intermediaries and knowing code words to get in contact. Real cloak and dagger stuff, but you'll understand why.)

        Anyway, turns out the reason you shouldn't give your horse (or anyone, including yourself!) vegetable oil is that all those so-called farmers growing it are tools of the Illuminati. Those "crop circles " are actually secret symbols they use to communicate with each other.

        He says cold-pressed olive oil is THE WORST, because OF COURSE the Illuminati are all over Italy and especially infiltrating the Catholic church. They are working to bio engineer a mind control system, and are only months away from taking over the globe.

        The only way to be safe is to eschew vegetable oils entirely, which is why I now use only mink oil to cook all my food (the Illuminati have yet to corrupt mink farmers, but, according to my friend, it's only a matter of time)..... so, unless you want to wake up one day and find your horse voting for Bernie Sanders and promoting "clean energy" as part of New Green Order, I suggest you switch to mink oil RIGHT NOW and pray it's not too late.
        This is great!!! Thank you for brightening my day
        Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
        Quiet Miracle 2010 16.1h OTTB Bay Gelding
        "Once you go off track, you never go back!"

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          Originally posted by Garythesquirrel View Post

          It causes ulcers, Lyme disease, kissing spine and navicular.
          better toss it outta my cupboard, then!

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            Originally posted by kashmere View Post
            Honestly I'd still really like to know what the deal with vegetable oil is! 10 pages and still no resolution. What is the deal!?
            Apparently if you really did know the deal, your life might be in danger
            Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
            Quiet Miracle 2010 16.1h OTTB Bay Gelding
            "Once you go off track, you never go back!"

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              Originally posted by Garythesquirrel View Post

              It causes ulcers, Lyme disease, kissing spine and navicular.
              hahahahaha
              Humans dont mind duress, in fact they thrive on it. What they mind is not feeling necessary. Sebastian Junger

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                I swear I had this OP as a boarder.... Lasted for about three months before I showed her the door.

                Not kidding.
                "Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons"

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                  Wow...how did I miss this thread? This has been entertaining.

                  But sort of on topic... I don't think that KER would use hydrogenated oil in its hind gut supplement if hydrogenated oils were bad for the hind gut. But of course its main purpose is to get the active ingredient to the hind gut. https://ker.com/equinews/answer/hydr...-equine-diets/

                  The link also discusses reasons why you might choose one type of fat for other purposes, like palatability.

                  This study compared saturated vs unsaturated fats: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10659301/
                  "In conclusion, no apparent adverse effects of feeding a diet supplemented with either an unsaturated or saturated vegetable oil for 6 months at approximately 20% DE after 10 months at approximately 12% DE were identified and there were no apparent disadvantages of feeding a saturated vegetable oil supplemented diet compared with an unsaturated one."

                  Most prilled/non-liquid fat supplements are hydrogenated vegetable oil. There are plenty of high saturated fat liquid products out there too, like the ones that contain coconut oil.

                  Horses are also more efficient at digesting carbohydrates and fats for energy (less so for protein). So, if you want to avoid a lot of grains in the diet but need more energy, feeding a higher fat diet is a good way to get that energy without feeding a high grain diet that could potentially cause hind gut acidosis.

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                    I can't believe i missed all of this.

                    Also, in my experience from being around a ton of incredibly intelligent, knowledgeable people (engineers, physicists, doctors, literal rocket scientists), people that are really knowledgeable about a subject don't try to throw around words and phrases to make people think they are smart. If anything, they will try to dumb it down so everyone can understand.

                    My entire impression of OP is someone trying to sound like they are really smart when they really don't know that much.

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                      Originally posted by IPEsq View Post
                      Wow...how did I miss this thread? This has been entertaining.

                      But sort of on topic... I don't think that KER would use hydrogenated oil in its hind gut supplement if hydrogenated oils were bad for the hind gut. But of course its main purpose is to get the active ingredient to the hind gut. https://ker.com/equinews/answer/hydr...-equine-diets/

                      The link also discusses reasons why you might choose one type of fat for other purposes, like palatability.

                      This study compared saturated vs unsaturated fats: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10659301/
                      "In conclusion, no apparent adverse effects of feeding a diet supplemented with either an unsaturated or saturated vegetable oil for 6 months at approximately 20% DE after 10 months at approximately 12% DE were identified and there were no apparent disadvantages of feeding a saturated vegetable oil supplemented diet compared with an unsaturated one."

                      Most prilled/non-liquid fat supplements are hydrogenated vegetable oil. There are plenty of high saturated fat liquid products out there too, like the ones that contain coconut oil.

                      Horses are also more efficient at digesting carbohydrates and fats for energy (less so for protein). So, if you want to avoid a lot of grains in the diet but need more energy, feeding a higher fat diet is a good way to get that energy without feeding a high grain diet that could potentially cause hind gut acidosis.
                      I read that study. Unfortunately the conclusion you have drawn from that study is not correct.

                      Regardless with a sample size of eight, no conclusion can be drawn.
                      Originally posted by Equkelly;n10679061

                      Jeez now I know why COTH has a reputation of being a bunch of overaged mean girls.

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                        Y’all realize the OP seems like a reincarnation of a recently banned poster, right? One who had other incarnations as well!
                        "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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                          Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post
                          I can't believe i missed all of this.

                          Also, in my experience from being around a ton of incredibly intelligent, knowledgeable people (engineers, physicists, doctors, literal rocket scientists), people that are really knowledgeable about a subject don't try to throw around words and phrases to make people think they are smart. If anything, they will try to dumb it down so everyone can understand.
                          I agree with this in a general sense. However, I have zero tolerance for those simply parroting ideas and terms without proper understanding, and drawing "conclusions" that lack accuracy. Though that is reality on an internet forum, apparently. Further supported the travesty of your community's current events forum.
                          Originally posted by Equkelly;n10679061

                          Jeez now I know why COTH has a reputation of being a bunch of overaged mean girls.

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                            Oh, christ, she's BACK. Lookit what you all have done

                            So, fellbutbackup, what does the spirit realm say about oil this time....? Because we all know you're certainly not referencing any published literature...

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                              Originally posted by Fellbutbackup View Post

                              I read that study. Unfortunately the conclusion you have drawn from that study is not correct.

                              Regardless with a sample size of eight, no conclusion can be drawn.
                              I did not draw the conclusion. I quoted the conclusion written by the authors of the study.

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                                  This has been good fun while sidelined due to a pinched nerve

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                                    Originally posted by Fellbutbackup View Post

                                    I read that study. Unfortunately the conclusion you have drawn from that study is not correct.

                                    Regardless with a sample size of eight, no conclusion can be drawn.
                                    Still can't read for comprehension huh?

                                    She QUOTED the conclusion. She didn't do anything but quote that part of the study. I'm sure the authors would love for you to tell them how wrong they are.

                                    What IS the conclusion then, if the authors are so wrong? I'll wait

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                                      Someone want to let me in on who the reincarnation is?
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                                        Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
                                        Someone want to let me in on who the reincarnation is?
                                        Ditto, please!

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                                          Me three
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