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    Last edited by Fellbutbackup; Jul. 6, 2020, 04:58 AM.
    Originally posted by Equkelly;n10679061

    Jeez now I know why COTH has a reputation of being a bunch of overaged mean girls.

    #2
    Bathe him with warm water and shampoo, more often. Get better bedding, and more of it.

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      #3
      What is the horse sleeping on? Stall mats? Stall mats with shavings? Shavings alone?

      Do you and others, along with your trainer, think that your horse stinks? Who is responsible for your horse's stall and bedding?

      Your horse should not "stink" unless it is laying in urine repeatedly. That can only happen if it is confined for abnormal lengths of time in a poorly bedded stall or if the horse has a medical condition that makes its urine rank.

      Is your horse ever turned out? Horses usually roll and keep themselves from stinking if they have the opportunity. A horse properly bedded in the stall will not have this problem.

      Do you keep your horse at home? If you can give some idea of how the horse is being managed, with time stalled and turned out, as well as what sort of bedding and/or mats you are currently using, it would be helpful. Otherwise, it is difficult to give advice. Don't worry, you have posed a good question that shows your concern for your horse.

      I never used stall mats, just deep shavings inside and 24-7 turnout unless severe weather was at hand. I realize that this is not an option for many people.

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        #4
        What is he eating? If the horse is getting too much protein in his diet, his urine will have a much stronger smell.
        Bed the stall deep enough that the top shavings stay dry.

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          #5
          Does his stall get regular, thorough mucking and have proper ventilation? Try a fan to add more air flow if needed. If the stall is dry and the smell still persists, the flooring/rubber mats may need replacing. Another thing to ask yourself is protein. The more protein in the horse’s diet the more urea and ammonium — two breakdown products of protein — he will produce and excrete. Maybe try a stall freshener as well. Zeolites are a natural stall refresher that soaks up the ammonia AND is safe for you, your horse, your chickens, your barn cat.

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            #6
            Who cleans the stall?

            Picking out the stall last thing in the day, getting wet spots as well as manure, could be helpful. So is bedding deeply enough that pee spots are well absorbed. I see a lot of stalls bedded so shallowly that one or two pee spots basically make the whole stall wet.

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              #7
              I'll commiserate with you. I have a "Pig Pen" pony.

              He is only 14. 1, has a nice matted 12x12 stall with pelleted bedding. I keep him at home and do all the stall cleaning my self. He is turned out all day and in at night. He pees right smack dab in the middle of his stall and then proceeds to sleep in it. every. single. night. I used to just hose him off in the morning, but that doesn't work well in winter or when I want to tack up and ride.

              Other than his wet spot, the rest of the bedding is so dry that at times I actually mix a bit of water in with it. My barn is ultra clean; so clean that vets and farriers regularly comment about my not having any flies in the barn. When I clean, I scrape all the way down to the mat, no wet left except the obvious spot on the mat. I let it air dry for a little bit. Then I pull dry bedding into the middle of the stall so that the majority of his bedding is where he pees, with only minimal bedding around the edges of the stall.

              He doesn't have a terribly high protein diet - 2 cups of Essential K ration balancer, flax, and hay. That is all. He's an air fern. His pee is not particularly strong smelling. He just concentrates if on himself where he sleeps in it.

              The solution I have come to has worked well for several years now. He wears a rain sheet in his stall at night to keep the wet out. The sheet does get rather pungent at times, but I just throw it over the fence and hose it off; wash as needed.

              This pony has sweet itch (and I think generally sensitive skin) Since I started using the sheet, he is no longer such a gnat and fly magnet. His skin is in better condition and his coat glows (thanks most likely to the flax).

              Try the sheet. It has been worth is to me and him. Makes both our lives a lot easier and less smelly.

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                #8
                When my mares pee down their back legs when they're in heat, it reeks. But some warm water and maybe a bit of shampoo takes care of it. If he just has some pee on his sides from laying in wet shavings, I'd just wipe him down with a damp towel as part of the grooming routine, and them maybe do a bath once a week or so if he is still stinky.

                One of my mares would go lay flat on her side in her pen in pee and muck, so I keep her in a sheet as long as it's cool enough to do so.

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                  #9
                  It depends on your climate. I would look into the rain/fly sheet combos that are available now. I will say I bought my girls the Schneider's Duratech Airmesh Summer Sheets and wish I hadn't. They have a 600D outer, but also a nylon lining, so they are not very cool, and the mesh inserts were ripped up almost immediately. I have a Bucas Sunshower for one horse, and it is fully lined with a mesh material that keeps the outer shell from clinging, so that seems better. I think Bucas makes the same thing with fly sheet like material for the lower part, so it would be more breathable. Even a washable stable sheet or a fly sheet in the silkier type of material (rather than mesh) might be helpful.

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                    #10
                    Is it possible that urine is leaking under the mats? I don't really know if that is a possibility but if it is, I'd check to make sure urine isn't pooling under them. (I never used mats, just very deep shavings)
                    I think deep bedding would help if you can do it.

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                      #11
                      Are you still doing this, from your post on June 13?

                      "My gelding used to pee in his paddock and keep his stall free of urine. After getting a one time shot of diuretics two months ago, he started peeing in his stall shavings. He has not stopped.

                      We put his pee soaked shavings in his paddock, but he is now in the habit of sleeping in his own pee.

                      Any suggestions for training him to pee outdoors again?"

                      If so, probably just stop putting the urine soaked bedding outside for him to lie in.

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                        #12
                        how long is he actually turned out for? If it is literally most of the day, then I don't understand why his stall would be cleaned multiple times during the day...or does he have a stall with an attached run?

                        it is probably healthier for him to be peeing more often, rather than holding it to wait to go outside to pee. My mare only tends to pee outside if it isn't windy, so if you want to encourage him to pee outside more, perhaps put bedding in a place that is protected from the wind?
                        Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                          #13
                          I had a horse that would constantly lay in his pee when stalled. I used hot towels and cowboy magic green spot remover when I can’t bathe or don’t want to bathe too much. Normal grooming won’t remove the smell because it’s not removing the urine.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Fellbutbackup

                            Yikes. Lots of assumptions here.

                            He does not lay himself down outside.
                            How do you know? Do you watch him all day long?

                            How often is he bathed?

                            Some horses do smell more than others; I boarded a grey gelding once and he smelled weird. I then read that other people sometimes felt grey horses smelled weird.

                            But if it's just lying in his pee overnight - bed his stall deeper, and/or put pelleted bedding underneath the shavings to keep the shavings clean/dry.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fellbutbackup

                              Thanks for this suggestion. I will give this product a try. I agree with not wanting to bathe too much.
                              It’s like waterless shampoo in a way. You need to rinse but a hot wet towel will rinse it. Really handy for the bad ones that just a hot wet towel won’t take off.

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                                #16
                                Alright. So far I am hearing the following solutions: More bedding in stall. Spot cleaning. Bathing as often as possible. More bedding
                                out in his paddock. And a sheet.

                                Will use them all. Thanks. Keep suggestions coming if there are more.
                                Originally posted by Equkelly;n10679061

                                Jeez now I know why COTH has a reputation of being a bunch of overaged mean girls.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by S1969 View Post

                                  How do you know? Do you watch him all day long?

                                  How often is he bathed?

                                  Some horses do smell more than others; I boarded a grey gelding once and he smelled weird. I then read that other people sometimes felt grey horses smelled weird.

                                  But if it's just lying in his pee overnight - bed his stall deeper, and/or put pelleted bedding underneath the shavings to keep the shavings clean/dry.
                                  Thanks. I am going to think about the pellets, especially under where he pees. Will ask the barn owner about it also.

                                  Also maybe cedar outside bedding. But I have had bad experiences with allergies in the past with other horses.

                                  He gets rinsed after every other ride because he is a sweaty guy. And the dry urine smell really gets enhanced. Since my trainers said something, I am going to start doing every ride. Or maybe a glycerin/castile soap spot clean. Actual full body shampooing is around every two-three months.

                                  We actually do watch him all day long. Horses lol.
                                  Originally posted by Equkelly;n10679061

                                  Jeez now I know why COTH has a reputation of being a bunch of overaged mean girls.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Fellbutbackup

                                    outerbanks77 Thank you both for the rain sheet suggestion. Any sheets thin enough for summer?

                                    So far I am hearing he needs maybe a sheet on if I can find one thin enough, and deeper bedding.

                                    His stall is cleaned often throughout the day. We also have no flies.

                                    Will look at zeolites.

                                    Ideally I would like to train him to pee in the paddock again. Are there good non cedar outdoor shavings? Would normal wood chips work?

                                    Will try wiling off the urine spots also.

                                    Horses lol.
                                    Try a Saxon 600 denier sheet (the ones with shoulder gussets)--inexpensive, lightweight, and cut with a shorter drop so more air flow in the belly area, plus, they wear like iron.

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                                      #19
                                      What in the what.

                                      The horse doesn't need to live in a sheet or be obsessively bathed. The horse just needs proper care.

                                      This includes an appropriate amount of quality bedding that absorbs. Pellets may be a good bet. A stall that is properly mucked out. Good grooming before ridden and a good hosing after when hot.

                                      If the stall is cleaned accordingly and bedded nicely, I think this problem would be greatly minimized. If he's peeing excessively making the stall cleaning more difficult to manage, then there are other problems.

                                      The only time I've encountered this problem as been when I stall isn't cleaned well and the bedding was skimpy.


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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by CanteringCarrot View Post
                                        What in the what.

                                        The horse doesn't need to live in a sheet or be obsessively bathed. The horse just needs proper care.

                                        This includes an appropriate amount of quality bedding that absorbs. Pellets may be a good bet. A stall that is properly mucked out. Good grooming before ridden and a good hosing after when hot.

                                        If the stall is cleaned accordingly and bedded nicely, I think this problem would be greatly minimized. If he's peeing excessively making the stall cleaning more difficult to manage, then there are other problems.

                                        The only time I've encountered this problem as been when I stall isn't cleaned well and the bedding was skimpy.

                                        It is hard to know how to respond with so many superlatives there.

                                        Good for you for having never encountered this problem with “just proper care.”

                                        This post is for advice beyond “proper care.” Suggestions to that end would be appreciated.

                                        Thank you.
                                        Originally posted by Equkelly;n10679061

                                        Jeez now I know why COTH has a reputation of being a bunch of overaged mean girls.

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