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Is shoeing an essential service amid COVID-19?

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  • #21
    If you wear gloves at the barn, don't rub your face, and sanitize before you get back into the truck, you are unlikely to pick up any virus from a lead rope. Or from the horse's fur.





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    • #22
      Originally posted by S1969 View Post

      Don't bother. The virus isn't going to live more than 36 hours on any surface....max.
      Long enough for two people to need to touch the same rope. There's hard metal on the snap and the halter snap, too...

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      • #23
        My partner is a farrier who works with his brother- they have been pulling shoes and not resetting where possible. They are trying not to work except emergencies right now, as mom is 72 diabetic with both a stroke and cancer history. She lives with us.
        ~Former Pet Store Manager (10yrs)
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        Mom to : 2 Horses,3 Dogs, 1 Cat

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        • #24
          Originally posted by shayaalliard View Post
          My partner is a farrier who works with his brother- they have been pulling shoes and not resetting where possible. They are trying not to work except emergencies right now, as mom is 72 diabetic with both a stroke and cancer history. She lives with us.
          If the horses can't be worked, going barefoot when possible is smart.

          Obviously barefoot horses still need trimming. But a bare foot that gets overgrown doesn't cause anything like the pathology of a shoe left on too long.

          A bare foot will continue to expand and may crack off and self trim. A shod hoof will become contracted.

          A horse with no hoof pathology and getting some movement in pasture can go 12 weeks without a trim with no real damage, longer if the ground is abrasive or rocky. A horse in shoes would be getting problems before then.

          An ongoing 3 month trim cycle long term is not a great idea because it can cause any balance and wear issues to get too established. I'm not recommending that! But just saying that if owners are on lockdown and can't ride anyhow, taking off shoes helps farriers, owners, horses.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post

            Long enough for two people to need to touch the same rope. There's hard metal on the snap and the halter snap, too...
            Wear gloves, then.

            But seriously, how many people are using the same lead rope one after another within hours?

            The idea of sanitizing cloth items like lead ropes or horse blankets is going above and beyond typical path of infection. If these were hospital gowns - then yes, obviously they should be washed between wearers. Of all places and items I might worry about, this would be very small.

            I mean, go ahead and wash your lead ropes if it makes you feel better.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Renn/aissance View Post

              That's not accurate. Up to 72 hours on plastic and stainless steel in ideal environmental conditions (ideal from the virus's perspective, anyway.)
              Sorry, yes I knew that; I meant 3 days. Not sure why I typed 36. The rest of my answer is still the same. Cloth items are definitely not 'ideal conditions' so the virus' ability to live on something like a blanket or a rope is probably quite short.

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              • #27
                Goes both ways, the farrier can be a vector, the client may be.

                Our farrier came Friday, so we are good for a while now.

                He said he was washing hands and being careful what he touches.
                He still takes cash or checks.
                That is unavoidable, many clients don't have electronic ways of paying.

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                • #28
                  As a part-time Barefoot Trimmer, it's mostly business as usual for clients. I've asked that all payment be done via PayPal or Venmo only. We will keep our distance to the best of our ability. I always wear work gloves anyway, plus will ensure I've properly washed hands, etc before exiting my vehicle.

                  I've reassured all my clients that should I feel myself coming down with anything, I will reschedule, and asked them to do the same for me.

                  Thankfully, as a Trimmer, all 53 horses I work on are barefoot. They can go a bit longer than 4 weeks if we have to, without damage.
                  <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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                  • #29
                    My farrier will be out next week to trim all three of mine. Unfortunately we can't delay his visit as I have two that need to be on strict trim schedules. I've already worked out paying via PayPal with him and plan on wearing gloves and mask while I hold my horses. I plan on having Lysol wipes and rubbing alcohol spray down at the cross ties with us if he feels the need to wipe anything extra down.

                    I figure that with all the clients he sees and is exposed to anything I can do to lessen both our risks would be worth it. I fall under the high risk classification and would hate to catch it and I know my farrier has young children at home who deserve a healthy dad.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Renn/aissance View Post

                      Immerse in bleach solution.

                      Here is the current list of disinfectants approved by the EPA to sterilize surfaces against COVID-19, including the active time and a reference for the dilution rate (by reference to directions for other viruses.) Note that this is intended for hard surfaces, not fabrics. However, generally speaking, viruses are less likely to survive on porous surfaces like fabric, so transmission between these items is less likely. Based on that, I would conclude that in the absence of further information the EPA's recommendation for hard surfaces is likely to generalize to soft ones and would probably be overkill- but better safe than sorry.



                      That's not accurate. Up to 72 hours on plastic and stainless steel in ideal environmental conditions (ideal from the virus's perspective, anyway.)
                      Does wiping the lead ropes, blanket straps, etc with a Clorox wipe help at all? I once got a wicked case of poison sumac and kept breaking out every day despite cleaning everything in the house. Turns out it was on the seatbelt of my truck. Doh! Wiping the seatbelt to the saturation point with Clorox wipes is what finally denatured the oil. I realize a virus is a whole other ball of wax but wonder if it helps at all in a pinch. Or maybe switch to leather leads that are easier to clean?

                      Prior to just closing the yoga studio the owner got a UV-C light device to disinfect the bolsters and blankets (both very thick fabric). It does supposedly work, though how long it takes I don't know.

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                      • #31
                        I will immediately find a new farrier if mine decides not to work, and probably wouldn’t go back to him after the crisis is over. It’s the farrier’s choice whether to work, but they’ll have to live with the business consequences. This isn’t a high-risk activity where you’re in contact with lots of people in close proximity.
                        "Dogs give and give and give. Cats are the gift that keeps on grifting." —Bradley Trevor Greive

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post

                          Long enough for two people to need to touch the same rope. There's hard metal on the snap and the halter snap, too...
                          Soap and water. Dish soap is very good at breaking down the fatty membrane holding the virus together.

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                          • #33
                            I love my farrier and he is still working however if he stopped working and I had to switch, then I would continue to use the new farrier ( providing he did a good job)
                            It wouldn’t be right to ask someone new to come out and then dump them when things calmed down.

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                            • #34
                              I'm lucky enough that our BO is also our farrier.

                              A friend who is a farrier posted thier protocols on facebook. They are asking that horses be ready in the cross ties when they arrive, with the barn door open. They will call when they arrive.
                              If more horses are being done than available cross ties then barn staff needs to be available to switch horses.
                              All payments by e-transfer, bills will be emailed.

                              This way they do not have to touch anything, other than the their own equipment and the horses legs.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by chestnutmarebeware View Post
                                I will immediately find a new farrier if mine decides not to work, and probably wouldn’t go back to him after the crisis is over. It’s the farrier’s choice whether to work, but they’ll have to live with the business consequences. This isn’t a high-risk activity where you’re in contact with lots of people in close proximity.
                                Damn baby, that's cold!
                                Certified Guacophobe

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post
                                  Question - how does one go about sterilizing things like leadropes/blanket straps/etc? Fabric type stuff, thicker than average.
                                  You can soak or spray to saturate with disinfectant then air dry. We did this with alcohol at the manufacturer's instruction to disinfect nylon straps used in a specific test done on patients with a chronic, progressive lung disease. Each patient had their own set of straps but we still cleaned them in between uses. I'd expect most disinfectants to eventually damage the soft surfaces. I wonder if there's been a run on plastic sofa covers yet?

                                  In my opinion, it makes sense for each person at a barn to use their own lead rope and only their own lead rope at this juncture. I think the OP's husband could reduce the likelihood of touching infected soft surfaces at barns by bringing his own lead rope.

                                  He could also ask that only one healthy person be present; he could synchronize all the horses at a barn if not already done. Only one stop per day.

                                  And I agree, he should change out of his work clothes before coming inside, put his work clothes into the laundry himself immediately, and shower directly thereafter.
                                  Disclaimer: My mom told me that people might look at my name and think I had an addiction other than horses. I don't; his name was Bravado.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by AnastasiaBeaverhousen View Post

                                    Damn baby, that's cold!
                                    I’m in a bad mood since I had to put my horse down on Friday, but come on! Horse shoeing is an extremely low-risk activity. Wash your hands and keep your distance from others.

                                    If vets are seeing animals, and they are, there’s no excuse for farriers to refuse to help animals in need
                                    "Dogs give and give and give. Cats are the gift that keeps on grifting." —Bradley Trevor Greive

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                                    • #38
                                      I condole with you on the loss of your horse. That would be difficult enough without everything else going on right now.

                                      I feel a little differently that's all.

                                      I guess I would cut the farrier a little slack. He or she might be in the same position as the OPs SO. There might be difficult circumstances that I know nothing about.

                                      Plus, a good farrier is solid gold.

                                      Ymmv.

                                      Certified Guacophobe

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                                      • #39
                                        FYI: If you can find it, usually Home Depot cleaning products aisle, on the bottom shelf: Simple Green PRO 3+ is an excellent anti-bacterial, fungicidal and virucidal product. Fantastic at cleaning and disinfecting everything from your house surfaces, to your horse brushes, to your horse's hooves for thrush. Soak your brushes, lead ropes, halters, etc. in it and let air dry.

                                        For hooves: Mix 1 part SG3 to 20 Parts water. Soak for 15 minutes once a week. On non-soak days, pick/brush and spray liberally with Athlete's Foot Spray Powder.

                                        Cheap and effective. You're taking care of both the fungus and the bacteria, without damaging good tissue. No more purple or green fingers!

                                        <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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                                        • #40
                                          Here is something our farriers sent to their clients:


                                          COVID 19 Protocols - Recommended by the Western Canadian Farriers Association

                                          If you are sick STAY AT Home!

                                          Check with clients about recent travel and/or sickness - CANCEL or RESCHEDULE appointments as necessary.

                                          Practice SOCIAL DISTANCING!

                                          Request barn Managers to reduce human traffic in the area during Farrier Visits

                                          Request clients do not catch or hold horses if possible.

                                          Request clients do not attend appointments if possible.

                                          Request a designated handler if working on multiple horses at one barn if possible.

                                          Farrier to Use your own halters and/or leadrope

                                          WASH HANDS with soap upon arrival at a barn

                                          WASH HANDS with soap upon leaving the barn

                                          SANITIZE TOOLS between barns

                                          Limit touching things to what’s necessary

                                          Wear gloves while opening/closing gates, filling water buckets etc.

                                          Request payment methods like e transfer or cheques. Minimize cash payments

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