Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You're responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it--details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums' policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it's understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users' profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses -- Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it's related to a horse for sale, regardless of who's selling it, it doesn't belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions -- Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services -- Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products -- While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements -- Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be "bumped" excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues -- Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators' discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you'd rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user's membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

TMJ/Jaw Pain in an Older Horse?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    TMJ/Jaw Pain in an Older Horse?

    I haven't been on these forums in forever, but I'm a bit flummoxed as to what to do. I have a 26 year old pony, who does have most of his teeth, but now can't eat hay. That's not the issue itself. I'll start from the beginning.

    He's always been an easy keeper. Never really needed a ton of grain. He had wave mouth, but was floated or checked once a year. He's at a barn where he's in 12 and out 12 hrs. Also having some significant vision loss from uveitis and cataracts. Not a candidate for cataract surgery due to the uveitis. Uveitis is under control if he stays in during super windy days- which seems to set it off. So we've been managing it very well the last few years but he is still experiencing vision loss, which is not surprising. He doesn't handle it super well, if they bring him in later than dusk, he turns into a kite. He spooks hard. at everything. About two years ago is also when I fully retired him- had been doing some trail rides but decided he was done. On to the teeth.

    About 2 years ago, he started quidding and coughing. I had the local vet check him, found nothing, Had a dentist out, she found a molar with a crack, and another loose molar. The first two top molars, so we had them removed. He does not have very much root left. He starts eating slightly better, it took some time. The following year, more quidding. Had the vet check him again. Nothing found. He continues to eat hay, just quid off and on. Then last winter, we decided to supplement with chopped hay. Switched him over to 100% chopped hay around September/October last fall. Started him on TC Senior and beet pulp.

    Around Thanksgiving, he stopped eating the chopped hay entirely. seemingly overnight. Had the vet out, found a loose molar, removed the molar. Gave him soup for a few days, then tried to introduce chopped hay. Won't eat it. Have a second vet out two weeks later, and she said to pretty much treat him like a horse who can't eat hay. He has no grinding surface left on his teeth, and limited range of motion. That's fine, so we upped the senior, upped the beet pulp, kept him on soaked hay pellets. Have tried offering him chopped hay so that he has something "to do" and is not sitting all night not eating.

    The weird thing is, since, Thanksgiving, he'll eat chopped hay- hoover it, really, like he's starving, for a few days, then literally have a temper tantrum, fling it everywhere, stomp on it, leave little quids everywhere. Then hunger strike. Then eat it for a few days. We've tried it soaked, tried it mixed with the hay pellets, literally every combination, and every type of set-up.

    I don't want to ask the barn managers to feed him small meals around the clock, but I hate that when he's unable to eat anything besides soup, that he is sitting either out in the field pretending to eat round bales or nibbling on whatever grass is coming up (because we have had a super mild winter), and then sit in his stall overnight. We are worried about leaving him out overnight when he is effectively blind in low light, and leaving him out overnight in winter won't necessarily help increase calories or fiber in his gut.

    He lost some weight while we were trying to figure this out, but gained back when we increased the senior, so we are able to get enough calories in him it seems.

    I'm just wondering if he is having jaw pain, that is leading to the tantrums and hunger strikes, then when he's hungry enough, he eats the chopped hay. So, we tried an experiment. We waited until he was on a tantrum/hunger strike pattern and gave him banamine. He cleaned up. Not a conclusive experiment, but puzzling all the same.

    I'm looking at either having a bodyworker coming out and evaluating him for jaw pain/soreness, or perhaps xrays of the jaws.

    I'm in a position where I can just afford the extra ~$200 per month of extra feed. I'm happy to keep making that work, but also can't dump a ton of money trying to figure out what's going on. Plus, I'm worried about the two meals a day leading to ulcers, and then down the line.

    I've discussed euthanasia with the barn manager. It's on the table. It's that what it comes down to, I will be OK with it. (not really, but logically OK). I don't want him to be in pain and frustrated, but also not sure if that is the problem, how to manage it. I watched him eat dinner the other night, he had already eaten the senior layer, and down into the beet pulp layer, and he was eating like he was STARVING.

    We board retirees and have dealt with TMJ arthritis. You can x-ray to confirm if you wish. A daily equioxx pill is our go to for this (and for other senior creaky/achy things). If the banamine consistently gets him eating again then he clearly has pain somewhere that he is saying needs management. You're doing a great job and trying really hard for him. Unfortunately we all (people, horses, cats, dogs, etc) all get harder and more expensive to manage as we age. Hugs.
    Blogging about daily life on the retirement farm:
    Paradigm Farms on Facebook


      Hey just wondering if you have an update on this horse? I'm dealing wtih the same thing right now with my 24 year old mare. Just started on previcox yesterday after a week of bute (initial vet visit found nothing wrong with teeth and we did a course of antibiotics as well).
      Why must you chastise my brilliant idea with facts and logic? **picks up toys (and wine) and goes home**


        In case other people are reading this, if you x-ray the jaw and/or suspect arthritis, you can inject the TMJ just as you would the hocks or stifles.

        My vet recommended doing both sides even if just one side showed inflammation so the horse does not eventually compensate because one side feels better/worse than the other.

        I'm glad I did decide to inject both sides because we found that the x-rays showed the opposite of what we thought. The side that looked liked it was inflammed did not have any blood (?) in the syringe when the vet started the injection - at least, I believe that is what he did. And the side that did not looked inflammed did have blood in the syringe.
        Either way, I recall that the vet was glad we injected both sides because we would have injected the side that didn't need it if we only went with what we saw on the x-rays.

        You can also apply Surpass or other joint creams to help with daily maintenance. I use CetylM Joint Cream on my own joints and found it has helped several times with sprains and muscle spasms.