Sport Horse Spotlight

Total Hope-11-18-09-3662

Real Estate Spotlight

Hart_Barn 1

Sale Spotlight

COTH_without Subscribe
  • Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You�re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it�details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums� policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it�s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users� profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses � Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it�s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who�s selling it, it doesn�t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions � Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services � Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products � While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements � Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be �bumped� excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues � Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators� discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you�d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user�s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

Very fine mouthpiece snaffle for less than $ 500?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Very fine mouthpiece snaffle for less than $ 500?

    Another item I can't seem to locate- a very fine snaffle in a D or full-cheek for showing. I have a western schooling version that works great, but cannot find a thin snaffle anywhere, except for a custom very expensive one
    -Thanks !

  • #2
    How thin are we talking?

    Comment


    • #3

      In my world (jumper/dressage), a Myler is quite thin. Lovely bits, ones I use often ... but significantly thinner than the traditional 14 mm or 16 mm Springer or Neue Schule snaffles most usually use.

      adding a video that may help with suggestions:

      https://youtu.be/cJ-nrfwTzxQ
      Last edited by Mouse&Bay; Dec. 29, 2019, 01:15 PM.

      Comment


      • #4
        Are you looking for a double-jointed mouthpiece or a single-jointed snaffle? I'd say look at the Neue Schule bits.

        I have not personally thought of the Mylers as being particularly thin, and they're also not completely straightforward snaffle bits. But if they work for you, go for it!
        "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

        Comment


        • #5
          Minimum dressage legal diameter is 10mm and in western its 8mm. Anything smaller is twisted wire.

          I think when you get very small it might be worth considering why the horse needs a bit like that - very few horses have such a low palate that something 10mm won’t fit. And a twisted wire bit is very harsh in the wrong hands.

          I had a TB once who I felt would have been happiest with a silk thread in his mouth and I tried a lot of bits to try and make him happy. Turns out I needed to work in my hands and start riding off my seat. After that, I could put anything in his mouth and he was relaxed...

          Comment


          • #6
            Try searching the Western and Arabian sources. Don’t know about a full cheek but you can probably find a dee, might be able to special order too.
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
              Minimum dressage legal diameter is 10mm and in western its 8mm. Anything smaller is twisted wire.

              I think when you get very small it might be worth considering why the horse needs a bit that thin -
              This.

              Over the years, I’ve changed my perspective regarding bits and I’m riding more and more often with thicker bits so the horse does have something to take contact to.

              Low palate horse don’t mind thicker bit, what they need are those but who hands lower in the mouth or are shaped as such they don’t go high in/touch much the palate.

              As for you OP, I would try to find a different type of bit or one that is differently shaped before going down in diameter.

              Those 8mm western bits are pretty thin and harsh.
              ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

              Originally posted by LauraKY
              I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
              HORSING mobile training app

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                I've brought along most of my show horses from greenbroke to 3'9 greens and have light and educated hands. The "western" type of bit (for lack of a better description, as it is not something I can show in) keeps my big baby light as a feather and I only use it about once per week. He loves it and doesnt mess with his head in the least. I'm hoping I can find something to show in that has similar results. I appreciate all the input!

                Comment


                • #9
                  What does your « western version » looks like exactly?

                  Maybe put a link or picture of the bit you are using right now?
                  ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                  Originally posted by LauraKY
                  I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                  HORSING mobile training app

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    https://www.equestriancollections.co...ank-lifter-bit
                    This is it- I would love to find a Dee or Full cheek with a thin mouthpiece like this

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I would guess that bit is less about the thin mouth than the gag effect, curb chain and long shanks? If you haven’t already I’d try a similar but with a thicker mouth - that’ll tell you what part of this bit your horse responds to.

                      Comment

                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        Yes I know the shanks and chain have an effect but I try not to touch the reins much - I'm going to give this a shot - I have tried all the other types of mouthpieces - He is sensitive - Jay Shuttleworth told me once to use a thinner mouthpiece in a sensitive mouth - He also said some rubber bits pull on their skin and can be hard on sensitive mouths or ones that tear easily, tho I have had a lot of luck with the Berris bits -
                        https://www.equestriancollections.co...ight-mouth-bit

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Yeah with a lot of leverage you barely have to touch the reins to get a multiplied effect on the horse: I hear a lot of riders say their horse is super light in a leverage bit and yeah: that’s the point - you put in a tiny effort and get a huge effect on the mouth.

                          Calculating the leverage ratio on a bit with 6” curb arms around a fixed fulcrum with 1” above the mouthpiece it takes 0.16 pounds of pressure to put 1 pound of pressure on the bit of my calculations are right. So if you’re used to using 1# of pressure on the contact with a snaffle, but use the same pressure on a leverage bit, you’d be putting over 6 times the pressure on the bit. If you did that with a snaffle all day your arms would fall off.

                          Narrow that pressure down to a smaller contact point (thin mouthpiece) and add a curb chain for pressure on another sensitive spot and you can see why a horse is very polite in such a bit.

                          Anyway the Berris seems to be exactly what you were looking for and will also tell you how much effect the gag/curb parts were contributing.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Do you not know that the thinner the mouthpiece diameter, the harder the bit hurts the bars of the mouth? Bigger diameter covers more skin area, easing bit "bite" on mouth bars.

                            That is one NASTY curb bit you are using!! Having a broken mouthpiece does not make it a snaffle bit. Changing sides to D or full cheek is going to totally change how the bit works in the horse's mouth, his reactions, because reins will use direct rein pressure, not curb strap pressure from the shank length.


                            I do not care how "light" your hands are, any rein pressure on that bit will hurt him someplace on his mouth area. This might be just the ticket for barrel racing, where speed control means you win money. Certainly there are better options out there for a nice riding horse who really is not giving you trouble. Once he learns to "hide behind the bit", bury his chin on his chest, you will lose ALL control and steering. He can't be pulled back, halted, turned, if his chin is as far back as it will go! Really a very dangerous thing to teach him. Find a different bit and learn some new techniques to gain a headset and what truly light hands are.

                            Any of my horses would probably rear up and maybe on over, should you try to use that bit on them! They would not manage the pain at all well because they have actually got "trained" mouths, look for light contact, give when reins are used. They go in thick mouthpieces, probably as thick as your smallest finger, because it is easy to carry, doesn't bite even though they wear curb bits.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              A regular old inexpensive Korsteel single joint hunter D is actually a pretty thin mouthpiece (14mm). But I have a feeling that the response you are getting has little to do with the snaffle part of this bit. What about a small pelham? Such as https://www.doversaddlery.com/jp-kor...it/p/X1-01688/

                              But from your picture, one interesting thing is how the mouthpiece is oriented in rotation with respect to the shanks. The curved part does seem to rotate down onto the tongue noticeably. So maybe something like a Novocontact bit or a NS Verbidend might give you that effect on the mouth without a leverage bit.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                I love the pletcher bit but yeah, they are so expensive. I bet a QH oriented tack store might have a thin D
                                "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
                                carolprudm

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Here’s a thin Dee, although I agree with others that the thinness of the mouthpiece is not the notable part of the bit you are using. You say you are only using the “western snaffle” once a week. What are you riding in the rest of the time?

                                  https://www.equestriancollections.co...ight-mouth-bit
                                  "So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit." Crash Davis; Bull Durham

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    This? Try poking around the world driving bits. I have a custom made skinny sweet metal full cheek snaffle, but that world is about the closest you can get. Lots of horses dig the sweet metal too. More than copper.

                                    https://www.sstack.com/fes-sweet-iro...waAma-EALw_wcB

                                    Comment

                                    Working...
                                    X