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Very fine mouthpiece snaffle for less than $ 500?

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    Very fine mouthpiece snaffle for less than $ 500?

    Another item I can't seem to locate- a very fine snaffle in a D or full-cheek for showing. I have a western schooling version that works great, but cannot find a thin snaffle anywhere, except for a custom very expensive one
    -Thanks !

    How thin are we talking?



      In my world (jumper/dressage), a Myler is quite thin. Lovely bits, ones I use often ... but significantly thinner than the traditional 14 mm or 16 mm Springer or Neue Schule snaffles most usually use.

      adding a video that may help with suggestions:
      Last edited by Mouse&Bay; Dec. 29, 2019, 12:15 PM.


        Are you looking for a double-jointed mouthpiece or a single-jointed snaffle? I'd say look at the Neue Schule bits.

        I have not personally thought of the Mylers as being particularly thin, and they're also not completely straightforward snaffle bits. But if they work for you, go for it!
        "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky


          Minimum dressage legal diameter is 10mm and in western its 8mm. Anything smaller is twisted wire.

          I think when you get very small it might be worth considering why the horse needs a bit like that - very few horses have such a low palate that something 10mm won’t fit. And a twisted wire bit is very harsh in the wrong hands.

          I had a TB once who I felt would have been happiest with a silk thread in his mouth and I tried a lot of bits to try and make him happy. Turns out I needed to work in my hands and start riding off my seat. After that, I could put anything in his mouth and he was relaxed...


            Try searching the Western and Arabian sources. Don’t know about a full cheek but you can probably find a dee, might be able to special order too.
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              Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
              Minimum dressage legal diameter is 10mm and in western its 8mm. Anything smaller is twisted wire.

              I think when you get very small it might be worth considering why the horse needs a bit that thin -

              Over the years, I’ve changed my perspective regarding bits and I’m riding more and more often with thicker bits so the horse does have something to take contact to.

              Low palate horse don’t mind thicker bit, what they need are those but who hands lower in the mouth or are shaped as such they don’t go high in/touch much the palate.

              As for you OP, I would try to find a different type of bit or one that is differently shaped before going down in diameter.

              Those 8mm western bits are pretty thin and harsh.
              ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

              Originally posted by LauraKY
              I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.


                Original Poster

                I've brought along most of my show horses from greenbroke to 3'9 greens and have light and educated hands. The "western" type of bit (for lack of a better description, as it is not something I can show in) keeps my big baby light as a feather and I only use it about once per week. He loves it and doesnt mess with his head in the least. I'm hoping I can find something to show in that has similar results. I appreciate all the input!


                  What does your « western version » looks like exactly?

                  Maybe put a link or picture of the bit you are using right now?
                  ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                  Originally posted by LauraKY
                  I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.


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                    This is it- I would love to find a Dee or Full cheek with a thin mouthpiece like this


                      I would guess that bit is less about the thin mouth than the gag effect, curb chain and long shanks? If you haven’t already I’d try a similar but with a thicker mouth - that’ll tell you what part of this bit your horse responds to.


                        Original Poster

                        Yes I know the shanks and chain have an effect but I try not to touch the reins much - I'm going to give this a shot - I have tried all the other types of mouthpieces - He is sensitive - Jay Shuttleworth told me once to use a thinner mouthpiece in a sensitive mouth - He also said some rubber bits pull on their skin and can be hard on sensitive mouths or ones that tear easily, tho I have had a lot of luck with the Berris bits -


                          Yeah with a lot of leverage you barely have to touch the reins to get a multiplied effect on the horse: I hear a lot of riders say their horse is super light in a leverage bit and yeah: that’s the point - you put in a tiny effort and get a huge effect on the mouth.

                          Calculating the leverage ratio on a bit with 6” curb arms around a fixed fulcrum with 1” above the mouthpiece it takes 0.16 pounds of pressure to put 1 pound of pressure on the bit of my calculations are right. So if you’re used to using 1# of pressure on the contact with a snaffle, but use the same pressure on a leverage bit, you’d be putting over 6 times the pressure on the bit. If you did that with a snaffle all day your arms would fall off.

                          Narrow that pressure down to a smaller contact point (thin mouthpiece) and add a curb chain for pressure on another sensitive spot and you can see why a horse is very polite in such a bit.

                          Anyway the Berris seems to be exactly what you were looking for and will also tell you how much effect the gag/curb parts were contributing.


                            Do you not know that the thinner the mouthpiece diameter, the harder the bit hurts the bars of the mouth? Bigger diameter covers more skin area, easing bit "bite" on mouth bars.

                            That is one NASTY curb bit you are using!! Having a broken mouthpiece does not make it a snaffle bit. Changing sides to D or full cheek is going to totally change how the bit works in the horse's mouth, his reactions, because reins will use direct rein pressure, not curb strap pressure from the shank length.

                            I do not care how "light" your hands are, any rein pressure on that bit will hurt him someplace on his mouth area. This might be just the ticket for barrel racing, where speed control means you win money. Certainly there are better options out there for a nice riding horse who really is not giving you trouble. Once he learns to "hide behind the bit", bury his chin on his chest, you will lose ALL control and steering. He can't be pulled back, halted, turned, if his chin is as far back as it will go! Really a very dangerous thing to teach him. Find a different bit and learn some new techniques to gain a headset and what truly light hands are.

                            Any of my horses would probably rear up and maybe on over, should you try to use that bit on them! They would not manage the pain at all well because they have actually got "trained" mouths, look for light contact, give when reins are used. They go in thick mouthpieces, probably as thick as your smallest finger, because it is easy to carry, doesn't bite even though they wear curb bits.


                              A regular old inexpensive Korsteel single joint hunter D is actually a pretty thin mouthpiece (14mm). But I have a feeling that the response you are getting has little to do with the snaffle part of this bit. What about a small pelham? Such as

                              But from your picture, one interesting thing is how the mouthpiece is oriented in rotation with respect to the shanks. The curved part does seem to rotate down onto the tongue noticeably. So maybe something like a Novocontact bit or a NS Verbidend might give you that effect on the mouth without a leverage bit.


                                I love the pletcher bit but yeah, they are so expensive. I bet a QH oriented tack store might have a thin D
                                "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"


                                  Here’s a thin Dee, although I agree with others that the thinness of the mouthpiece is not the notable part of the bit you are using. You say you are only using the “western snaffle” once a week. What are you riding in the rest of the time?

                                  "So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit." Crash Davis; Bull Durham


                                    This? Try poking around the world driving bits. I have a custom made skinny sweet metal full cheek snaffle, but that world is about the closest you can get. Lots of horses dig the sweet metal too. More than copper.