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  • Cat Tap
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    Thank you Bluey, I will contact my friend to see if she is aware of this.

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  • Bluey
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    Originally posted by Cat Tap View Post
    I am sorry if this is a stupid question but what is HERDA A friend of mine's horse has the same problem. She has had several vets involved. Horse is a Paint, vets think it is photosensitivity but don't know why this is happening now. i am not sure exactly what the horse is being treated with but he is now stalled during the day and out at night.
    HERDA:

    https://www.animalgenetics.us/equine...ease/herda.asp

    https://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/herda.php

    A local breeder had one stallion that produced the at that time rare HERDA affected offspring.
    That was before anyone knew of it, it seems to be a new mutation.
    He gelded that stallion and bought all offspring anyone would sell back to him.

    Being a recessive gene and today we can test for it, if someone has such a stellar individual with HERDA they choose to breed it anyway, they need to be very clear to never bred it to another positive horse, so as to avoid that heartache.

    Any more, ethical breeders try to not use any but 5 panel negative individuals for breeding purposes.

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  • Cat Tap
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    I am sorry if this is a stupid question but what is HERDA A friend of mine's horse has the same problem. She has had several vets involved. Horse is a Paint, vets think it is photosensitivity but don't know why this is happening now. i am not sure exactly what the horse is being treated with but he is now stalled during the day and out at night.

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  • S1969
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    Originally posted by Karak View Post
    S1969

    Its been about two months of slowly adding in the feed and supplements the vet recommended 😄 She’s on manna pro senior weight gain and another one. It’s definitely made a difference and she’s gained a lot.

    The “drench” I’m referring to is a powder the vet gave us in an unlabeled container besides a sharpie that says drench (he buys the product in built and sells smaller amounts I believe) no it’s not a dewormer 😂 she gets a few tablespoons of that a day, I need to ask him again exactly what’s in it but basically it’s a dosage of things to help her stomach after being starved? I’ll get the specifics!
    Is your vet an equine vet?

    Of course your horse is gaining weight because she's eating food. Most refeeding programs do not include supplements and carefully introduce concentrates; but if it's been two months it is unlikely to be a problem. Google "refeeding syndrome" if you're curious.

    I've never heard anyone give a horse a "drench". Cattle or sheep, yes. And it's for deworming/parasite control (internal and external). I'd want to know what exactly you're giving - especially since something is obviously a problem for her at this point in time.

    From other posts it sounds like sunburn may be the problem for your mare, but certain medications can make animals (and people) more susceptible to sunburn.

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  • SummerRose
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    My pinto mare is highly susceptible to sunburn. I have her at a farm full of pintos and she's the only one who burns do badly. She's perfectly healthy, too, so it isn't a nutritional issue with her.

    The first pic looks exactly like my mare does when she burns. Of course you need to have the vet look at your horse but you'll probably find that she needs to wear a fly sheet to prevent sunburn. And yes, if you get a good sheet with high UV rating, it will work. The biggest problem is protecting the face if she has pink skin there but there are good fly masks designed for that, too.

    Oh, and I have to be careful what products I use on her because she reacts badly to some fly sprays and shampoos.

    Congrats on your new horse! Hopefully you'll find that it's just sunburn. Having a sunburn-prone horse can be a PITA but it doesn't usually result in major health issues or costs (though good fly sheets, masks, and zinc oxide aren't exactly cheap 🙄).
    ​​​​​​

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  • Karak
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    4horses

    Yeah that seems to be most likely. All great advice!

    Do uv protection blankets work like shade? She’s been on stall rest before and hates it 😂

    We stopped sprays recently with her skin. But also great advice!

    Okie! I’ll look into that for sure!

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  • Karak
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    Bluey

    Ive heard about that! I’m not sure what she ate before us but I know now she isn’t on alfalfa.

    Okie! Thank you ❤️

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  • Karak
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    S1969

    Its been about two months of slowly adding in the feed and supplements the vet recommended 😄 She’s on manna pro senior weight gain and another one. It’s definitely made a difference and she’s gained a lot.

    The “drench” I’m referring to is a powder the vet gave us in an unlabeled container besides a sharpie that says drench (he buys the product in built and sells smaller amounts I believe) no it’s not a dewormer 😂 she gets a few tablespoons of that a day, I need to ask him again exactly what’s in it but basically it’s a dosage of things to help her stomach after being starved? I’ll get the specifics!

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  • Karak
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    4LeafCloverFarm

    Ill let you know as soon as I do! I’m very curious. I ended up not making today after truck problems

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  • 4LeafCloverFarm
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    Originally posted by Karak View Post
    Thank all of y’all for helping me! Taking her to the vet tomorrow and I’m curious to what he has to say. Poor girlie nothing about her has been normal 😂

    . . .
    Karak , what did the vet say today? I'm really curious what the diagnosis (and treatment) is. Always like to learn and this is definitely not something I've experienced before. Anyway, wishing for a speedy recovery for her.

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  • S1969
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    Originally posted by Karak View Post
    Yep! She’s on the best (not cheap) feed, drench, two weight gain supplements, along with a good few acres and hay. I’ll get started on one for her hair and skin asap. I agree that would help a lot. Thanks for the recommendation!
    What weight gain supplements are you feeding?

    I would not recommend anything like that for now. They are not going to put weight on a horse that has been starved. She needs hay/forage and time.

    Do not put her on any other supplements until the vet has evaluated her skin condition.

    More is not better. Supplements are to support a diet that is deficient - not to fix a horse that has been neglected. They don't work retroactively. If your current diet is not deficient, there is likely no benefit (but possibly harm) by adding supplements.

    What "drench" are you using - I ask because no one calls horse dewormers "drenches".

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  • Bluey
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    Originally posted by 4horses View Post
    Looks like photo sensitivity and sunburn. The skin on her neck and shoulders is pink and prone to burning. My paint is kept in shade as she has very pink skin.

    Have you applied anything like OFF, Deet, or Bronco fly spray? My mare has peeled from those sprays. I won't use OFF on her because she peels. Mosquito halt doesn't bother her though. If i try a new fly spray i have to be careful because she is so sensitive.

    I would want her in a stall, on high protein alfalfa hay. You need protein to build muscle and prevent refeeding syndrome.
    Alfalfa has been known to cause photosensitivity on horses with touchy livers.
    If that is what is going on, may want to get a different source of protein.

    I would still rule out HERDA just because, not knowing the breeding behind her:

    https://www.animalgenetics.us/equine...ease/herda.asp

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  • Karak
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    findeight Great Ideas!

    I know many people who are supplement crazy like you mentioned 😜 I see why, there’s so many supplement ads and sponsored riders it’s hard to tell what works and what’s just a gimmick.

    The only ones she is on are recommended by the vet.

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  • Karak
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    findeight Great Ideas!

    I know many people who are supplement crazy like you mentioned 😜 I see why, there’s so many supplement ads and sponsored riders it’s hard to tell what works and what’s just a gimmick.

    The only ones she is on are recommended by the vet.

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  • 4LeafCloverFarm
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    Originally posted by Karak View Post
    . . .

    Yep! She’s on the best (not cheap) feed, drench, two weight gain supplements, along with a good few acres and hay. I’ll get started on one for her hair and skin asap. I agree that would help a lot. Thanks for the recommendation!

    . ..
    What "drench" do you have her on?

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  • 4horses
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    Looks like photo sensitivity and sunburn. The skin on her neck and shoulders is pink and prone to burning. My paint is kept in shade as she has very pink skin.

    Have you applied anything like OFF, Deet, or Bronco fly spray? My mare has peeled from those sprays. I won't use OFF on her because she peels. Mosquito halt doesn't bother her though. If i try a new fly spray i have to be careful because she is so sensitive.

    I would want her in a stall, on high protein alfalfa hay. You need protein to build muscle and prevent refeeding syndrome.

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  • AllHorse
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    Originally posted by Karak View Post
    AllHorse

    Thats what I thought it could be: extreme photosensitivity.

    It could be that most likely, but I don’t know how she would have gotten it and why it would target her neck and shoulders.

    I didn't see any in our pasture but I’ll do a better check again. As she was starved previously she eats about anything so it wouldn’t be surprising.

    Hmmm but that would explain why it became so oddly bad so fast 🤔 and the peeling is similair to extreme cases of it..

    thanks for the advice!
    If the horse has a history of neglect it could have liver damage from eating ragwort over a long period of time, it’s a cumulative poison. It might have damage caused by something else, either way there could be resulting photosensitivity.
    Thats something for your vet to look into.
    Meanwhile you should protect the affected areas ‘just in case’, try a UV fly sheet.

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  • AllHorse
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    Originally posted by Karak View Post
    AllHorse

    Thats what I thought it could be: extreme photosensitivity.

    It could be that most likely, but I don’t know how she would have gotten it and why it would target her neck and shoulders.

    I didn't see any in our pasture but I’ll do a better check again. As she was starved previously she eats about anything so it wouldn’t be surprising.

    Hmmm but that would explain why it became so oddly bad so fast 🤔 and the peeling is similair to extreme cases of it..

    thanks for the advice!
    If the horse has a history of neglect it could have liver damage from eating ragwort over a long period of time, it’s a cumulative poison. It might have damage caused by something else, either way there could be resulting photosensitivity.
    Thats something for your vet to look into.
    Meanwhile you should protect the affected areas ‘just in case’, try a UV fly sheet.

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  • AllHorse
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    Originally posted by Karak View Post
    AllHorse

    Thats what I thought it could be: extreme photosensitivity.

    It could be that most likely, but I don’t know how she would have gotten it and why it would target her neck and shoulders.

    I didn't see any in our pasture but I’ll do a better check again. As she was starved previously she eats about anything so it wouldn’t be surprising.

    Hmmm but that would explain why it became so oddly bad so fast 🤔 and the peeling is similair to extreme cases of it..

    thanks for the advice!
    If the horse has a history of neglect it could have liver damage from eating ragwort over a long period of time, it’s a cumulative poison. It might have little very damage caused by something else, either way there could be resulting photosensitivity.
    Thats something for your vet to look into.
    Meanwhile you should protect the affected areas ‘just in case’, try a UV fly sheet.

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  • Bluey
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    Originally posted by Obsidian Fire View Post
    Karak - is this horse QH? Or other stock breed..... Is it possible horse has HERDA?
    I expect your vet has followed on this, right, to be sure that is not at play here?

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