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    To start - I worm my mare & gelding in the Fall with Pyrantel and the Spring with Ivermectin.
    My mare has come down with what I first thought was sweet itch... but I notice it seems to also fit neck threadworm symptoms as well. I gave her a regular dose of Ivermectin this morning to see if it changes anything. Just looking for other's experiences and input.

    ALSO - this morning when I ran my hand along her skin I ended up with a larvae on my forearm. A wiggly 3/16 - 5/16" long very thin 1/32 - 1/16" wide worm on me. I could even see some of them on my horse's coat after I knew what to look for. Not saying these are actual threadworms that I can see... any one else have this experience or idea what they could be? Tiny things - smaller than a grain of rice. Not maggot. Not Bot.

    The images aren't that great - they are not from today but give a basic idea.
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...52?usp=sharing
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    Symptoms for those who are interested WARNING - my anatomy vocabulary is not spot on, I'm doing my best LOL:

    10 days ago - It started with her typical itchy bumps at the chest (neck base to tops of front legs). This year she also has them around he ears and further along her belly. These bumps have had a discharge/crusting and then the hair comes off.

    6 days ago - She developed what looked like hives on her one side mostly at her rump area. A more experienced horse person who was here at my barn told me not to worry. I was told that it was due to things being very wet this year (also haven't been able to brush hog pasture due to wet). He told me that once things dry up - my mare's skin would as well.

    2 days ago - I read about neck threadworms & have been researching a way to help her. I've cleared all manure away (there wasn't a whole lot), have her in a dry paddock with her barn. Frustratingly enough the midges are also in the barn since I need to bring in some more gravel and put up gutters outside. So I'm fly spraying her every couple of hours and have been using sawdust to soak up and scrape out the standing puddles that fill with each rain.
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    CURRENTLY she has full body (85%) welts the size of nickels that are also covering her neck but not legs. I looked at the base of her mane and can see larger patches of missing hair due to this.

    Looking for more input on how to help her be less uncomfortable. She already takes an anti-inflammatory (Devil's Claw). I'm using a fly spray that I made with vinegar, skin so soft, Young Living Oils Eucalyptus & Citronella. I do have a fly sheet but not sure it's the best option at this point in the progression as she is scratching her body on everything and also the midges could get up into the fly sheet. As I said early on - I gave her Ivermectin this morning. I will spend the day getting the barn floor re-leveled and dried up (we own a gravel pit).
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    Take a stroll through this thread...
    https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f...posted-page-58

    Lots of luck with a double dose of Equimax, wait two weeks, do it again.
    Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
    Quiet Miracle 2010 16.1h OTTB Bay Gelding
    "Once you go off track, you never go back!"

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    • #3
      In addition to what BHK said:

      Originally posted by musicmaker5166 View Post
      To start - I worm my mare & gelding in the Fall with Pyrantel and the Spring with Ivermectin.
      Single or double dose of pyrantel pamoate? If single, consider it useless. If double, you killed tapeworms, and maybe did some decent damage to strongyles. But you wouldn't touch neck threadworms or bots

      Plain ivermectin, or Equimax/Zimecterin Gold? If plain, you still didn't get tapeworms


      ALSO - this morning when I ran my hand along her skin I ended up with a larvae on my forearm. A wiggly 3/16 - 5/16" long very thin 1/32 - 1/16" wide worm on me. I could even see some of them on my horse's coat after I knew what to look for. Not saying these are actual threadworms that I can see... any one else have this experience or idea what they could be? Tiny things - smaller than a grain of rice. Not maggot. Not Bot.
      Well, the adults don't really come out, and the microfilariae are microscopic so it's not those either.

      Does Benadryl make the welts go away? The all over reaction is not typical of NTWs, but could be from having rolled in a pile of ants.
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      • #4
        I think it's time to call the vet.
        Disclaimer: My mom told me that people might look at my name and think I had an addiction other than horses. I don't; his name was Bravado.

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        • #5
          If she's covered with those bumps, I agree that it may be time to involve the vet.

          If the bugs are terrible, you'll also have better luck using a pyrethrin or permethrin flyspray. The essential oil ones can do okay when you're just looking for a little repellent, but if it's really wet and buggy, you'll need the big guns.

          Really can't think of anything that would hatch as small white worms in the coat, though. Are you sure you weren't seeing lice or mites?

          As for keeping her comfortable, do you have a barn you can bring her into and put her under a fan, at least for the part of the day when the bugs are the worst? Benadryl is available over the counter and should help with the itching. Dose, IIRC, is 1-2 25mg pill per 100#s of horse, but check with your vet to confirm.

          Oh, to add: I had a terribly itchy horse last year and it took me forever to figure out that the barn swallow nest above his stall was full of mite coated birds. The bird mites were dropping on him all night long. Good chance your little coat worms are also environmental, so consider where she might be picking them up--sometimes it's really not readily apparent but kind of a duh moment once you figure it out (or it was for me, at least!)

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          • #6
            Just a thought, I used an essential oil fly spray and my horses broke out in all over hives like you describe. How long have you been using that spray? Is it new for them?

            Simkie very interesting about the swallows and the mites. When you fixed that situation did the itching completely stop or did you have to treat your horse with something?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by longlanefarm View Post

              Simkie very interesting about the swallows and the mites. When you fixed that situation did the itching completely stop or did you have to treat your horse with something?
              I treated the baby birds that kept falling out of the nest with a wipe of pyrethrin, and that helped. Fly spraying the horse when I brought him in also helped. But he itched on and off until the birds left. I pulled down that nest (and a few other old ones) this spring before the birds came back, so we'll see how it goes this year. I'm not sure if I should be dusting the rafters in likely spots with poultry dust or something in the spring to help reduce the chance of mites?

              It was a weird thing, though, and I sure felt smart and also like an idiot when I finally figured it out :-/

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                Thanks all - wish I'd have had a chance to read the responses earlier yesterday!

                BoyleHeightsKid - THanks for the link!

                JB - through all of this I have been learning that my worming regimen is inadequate. I stuck with what the original owner used for my mare (first time horse owner now 2 years in). The Ivermectrin I gave yesterday was plain and DD. As for the larvae I found on my horses - I didn't realize the TW larvae would not be visible with the naked eye. Thanks for teaching me. I've decided that they are simple bug larvae that likely came from the overgrown wet pasture and coincidence to the current situation. I did give her Benadryl last night at the recommendation of my daughter's riding instructor. By the time I made a video for her to look at the bumps (hives) had even spread down her legs. She and the barn manager felt it was a nasty case of hives. I gave her 2mg/kg of weight and they have improved so I gave her another dose this morning. I truly very much appreciate your kind input.

                Simkie - The little wigglies were exact replicas of tiny white inch worms - at this point I've decided that they are simple bug larvae that likely came from the overgrown wet pasture and coincidence to the current situation. As for bird mites - I appreciate the knowledge you've shared about them. This could become an issue in the future, the overhangs are full but the inside of the barn isn't due to it's construction and the lack of crossbeams that they can land on. It was a run-in shed roof style only 10'x20'. Last year I did enclose the front and add sliding doors with a dividing board so that I can close them in as needed. I did give her Benadryl last night at the recommendation of my daughter's riding instructor. By the time I made a video for her to look at the bumps (hives) had even spread down her legs. She and the barn manager felt it was a nasty case of hives. I gave her 2mg/kg of weight and they have improved so I gave her another dose this morning. My dose came from a link I found in the Merk Vet Manual but comes out to almost twice your dosing. I will drop her down to that once the hives are more under control.

                longlanefarm - she actually had the hives prior to my using the EO spray. With that said - it is the first time I've used it. I've been trying to find natural ways to remedy things. I got garlic granules to try this year and of course found out it's the ONE thing my fat mare won't touch. Not even a tablespoon in her grain! LOL

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                • #9
                  That's great that the Benadryl has helped!
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                  • #10
                    Glad that you're starting to get this under control

                    Clearly you need to deal with the immediate problem, but also worth thinking about the overall worming regime

                    Some interesting articles in equine natural health here about managing worm burden in these days of worms becoming increasing resistant to chemicals.

                    Strikes good balance, and takes a scietific approach between use of natural and chemical wormers and how to measure worm burden in first place
                    A guide to natural equine care: Natural horse supplies and supplements for feed and treating ailments. Also has a directory of therapists and services.

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                    • #11
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