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2/3/2011 UPDATES...... Re: Lame after shoeing, 4 times in a row.....

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    #61
    I like Dave... He will tell you what is what!
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      #62
      Originally posted by naters View Post
      Meshach: Good news, looking forward to hearing what he has to say. Did you do the "equicast" route?
      Yes, he did. When I went to him, my horse's feet were a complete mess, thanks to a local "podiatry expert". Long story, still bitter about it, won't bore you. He didn't have enough hoof wall to hold a shoe so he casted the shoe to the hoof. It got to the point that I was an expert caster of hooves myself. That really helped him to grow more hoof wall.

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        #63
        Yesterday when I got to the barn, he was walking ok, but still head-bobbing at the trot.

        So has 5 days of foot growth provided him some relief at least?


        However, his two back feet now have deep cuts on the coronet bands. One in the middle front of each coronet band. Overreach marks? Never-ever-ever had those before either.

        My horse has never been accused by any trainer of "tracking up properly" But apparently he is tracking up now, which I am not considering a desireable quality (due to the overreaching currently) I wonder if that's the bute from this past 5 days....?

        Or would it be the Tandem joint supplement? He's only been on that for about 12 days though....



        Dave comes out tomorrow.... he said not to do anything (don't pull the shoes) until he gets here...
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          #64
          Holy Crap those are some messed up feet. Seriously short shod, majorly underrun and probably "mechanically" foundered...just from the trim and crap work so long. I'm not surprised he's lame...I would be surprised if he was sound actually.

          It makes me so irritated to see that kind of work done and someone actually charged for it. Sadly, I see more than you'd imagine as bad as that or worse. The good news is that even in one trim/shoeing you will see some improvement and quite often even heels that underrun can be improved.

          I took on an Arab with the worst underrun heels I've ever seen...worse than yours and a very bad high low syndrome. We've actually had major improvement in just a few trim cycles and the remodeling of his hoof is amazing. That's one I should have taken pics of and did not. Just too busy to drag a camera around anymore!

          Dave is a talented farrier. I knew him years and years ago when I lived in Southern Pines. I use his Equicast also and love the stuff.

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            #65
            Originally posted by naters View Post

            So has 5 days of foot growth provided him some relief at least?


            However, his two back feet now have deep cuts on the coronet bands. One in the middle front of each coronet band. Overreach marks? Never-ever-ever had those before either.
            5 days of growth can provide relief to some horses, yes.

            Those 'cuts' are more than likely abscess blowouts. They will look like perfectly straight horizontal cuts at the coronary band. Like someone took a knife to the horse. Those are from abscesses blowing out.

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              #66
              Nope, they are not abscess marks on the back feet (not pictured).
              I watched him (while the vet was there yesterday) make another one by hitting the back of his front foot, with the front/top of his back foot.

              It was very bizarre...

              Dave coming out tonight! Very excited!
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                #67
                Fingers crossed for you, naters! I hope Dave has good news for you.
                Full-time bargain hunter.

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                  #68
                  Nope, they are not abscess marks on the back feet (not pictured).
                  I watched him (while the vet was there yesterday) make another one by hitting the back of his front foot, with the front/top of his back foot.

                  It was very bizarre...
                  It is called "scalping" and is probably due to the hooves being so out of balance with the distorted toes throwing him all out of time.
                  Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
                  Natural Balance Certified Lameness Specialist ,instructor.
                  www.hoofcareonline.com

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                    #69
                    Dave came by yesterday.

                    No white line.

                    He took off the existing shoes (thank god).

                    He put a wide shoe on and then casted both front feet.

                    Horse is still lame but hoping he improves soon.

                    Hoof tester showed positive ALL around the hoof.

                    Had him look at one of the other horses we have also, and he thinks he could help him too.

                    He recommended I switch farriers. I am on board with THAT!
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                      #70
                      I would love to see how your horse improves under the new farrier. Please keep us posted!
                      Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
                      Quiet Miracle 2010 16.1h OTTB Bay Gelding
                      "Once you go off track, you never go back!"

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                        #71
                        Just for our edification, if you get time, could you please post some pics of the "repair job?"

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                          #72
                          equicast.us
                          has pictures of the casting system... looks like vetrap, just dries hard...
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                            #73
                            [QUOTE]
                            Originally posted by naters View Post
                            Update with pics.

                            HEre are the pics:

                            http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p...of%20Pictures/
                            merciful heaven

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                            I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                              #74
                              Wow I hope this turns out well for your horse. I've talked with Dave on the phone a couple of times and he is SUPER super nice. Very helpful and knowledgeable.

                              You might want to change your thread title though because when I read it I took it to mean that Dave Richards made your horse lame for 4 shoeings. I was afraid to open the thread thinking, oh god this is going to be horrible. I was very relieved to see it wasn't Dave that did the damage.

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                                #75
                                naters....He put a wide shoe on and then casted both front feet.

                                Horse is still lame but hoping he improves soon.

                                Hoof tester showed positive ALL around the hoof.



                                Guess the x-rays didn't come out. By looking the pics posted the horse is "sunk". Sole is convex, but HEY you fired me at the start of this thread.......... but hey again, you have a hero/savior now!!!!

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                                  #76
                                  Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                                  Guess the x-rays didn't come out. By looking the pics posted the horse is "sunk". Sole is convex, but HEY you fired me at the start of this thread.......... but hey again, you have a hero/savior now!!!!
                                  But casts are really cool! They look like vet wrap but dry hard.
                                  Eric Russell CJF

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                                    #77
                                    I'd have fired you too, although the video was funny.

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                                      #78
                                      Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                                      I'd have fired you too, although the video was funny.

                                      But tater has a 100% lameness rate for shoeing ; 5/5 .

                                      Isn't there a definition of insanity floating around here somewhere?
                                      Last edited by J.D.; Aug. 20, 2010, 06:44 AM.

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                                        #79
                                        JD I'm glad you think you're so hilarious.

                                        I wonder if there are pads on this horse's feet. Question for the OP, btw.

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                                          #80
                                          I have not read the thread, but can say that I think Dave Richards is a class act. I contacted him because I was using the Equicasts on my newly barefoot horse (shelly summer feet kept throwing shoes, was trying any alternative). However, I couldn't get the casts to stay on my horse's feet longer than 4-7 days ($$$). I am a vet, so could apply normally, but did not have any glue products a farrier would. Basically I just wanted advice.

                                          Dave came to my barn 1.5 hours away, trimmed my horse (and my farrier happened to be there, he showed him all what he was doing and why), applied the Equilox glue, applied the cast, etc. He GAVE ME a glue gun, a "STUBBY" of Equilox, and 2 rolls of cast--FREE (I guess because I'm a vet). The cast stayed on 3 weeks (really abrasive surface), and my next application as instructed by Dave went great--still on 1.5 weeks later looking virtually brand new.

                                          I hope it worked out for you and will follow the thread later (when I'm not working!).
                                          From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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