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Time for teeth float - Don't want repeat of last time - Houston area - Questions - Who is good/who is not?

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  • Time for teeth float - Don't want repeat of last time - Houston area - Questions - Who is good/who is not?

    I got my horse Aug.2017. No history on him - he came from a kill pen. So new horse for me and also new barn. I was urged to get his teeth done when the barn's regular guy was there - two months after I got my horse. I had questions for the dentist (not a vet). What could he tell from my horse's teeth? Age? Problems? What was done?

    I could not be there for the float. I found it odd I could not communicate directly with the dentist with my questions/concerns. My horse was sore for many days after the float. The dentist didn't leave me any notes. Nothing. No suggest for barn staff to soak feed/hay for my horse. He couldn't eat hay for many days after - which was obvious to all.

    Shortly after that I started having behavioral problems with my horse.

    I have put off getting horse's teeth floated - but know it's time to do it again
    .
    I asked B.O. again for name and contact info of the dentist. (mostly to re-check if any notes left for me- through her).

    I was finally given his name but was told he didn't want his contact info given out. Apparently he won't communicate with horse owner. Well screw that. Now I know. Something has seemed quite fishy with all of this.

    I have no idea what was done to my horse last year.
    Was he sedated or not? Did he fight? Why was he so sore and mad at the world days after the float? Did the guy manhandle him?
    (vet had checked his teeth a month prior - said they looked like had been floated past couple of years - were OK).

    I am getting angry about this all over again.
    I looked the guy up - and something about him seems creepy to me.

    I need suggestions who is good / not good Houston area.
    Vet or dentist? Dentist can sedate in Tx?

    Better to sedate - or not?
    Hand float or power float?
    Methods of restraint? Stocks? A crutch for head to rest on? Hang head????

    Thanks in advance for helpful replies. .




  • #2
    I know nothing but Google, but this woman looks interesting, and in your shoes, I'd do some local asking around about her.

    https://www.txequinedentist.com/about-us/

    I always want a vet that specializes in dentistry. Generally, they sedate, they use power tools or hand tools as needed, and they're passionate about dentistry and happy to talk your ear off about what they're seeing in your horse.

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    • #3
      I can't help with who (since I am far away), but I can answer your questions at the end:

      All 3 of the [very good] dentists I work with (2 are vets, one is not) sedate every time.

      All 3 of mine power float, but use a manual rasp to touch up at the end.

      I have a screw eye in the ceiling of my front barn rafter specifically for dental exams. Haven't ever had anyone want to do anything other than have the horse's head elevated. The one time I took a horse in for a follow-up with a specialist she went up onto a platform into stocks and her head was left hanging while they took a million x-rays.

      And I have to say that I think you might be a little overdramatic about the old dentist? I'm not saying I would be happy in your shoes, and I do think you have a right to be present for the services you are paying for. And yes, it's weird not to have notes of some sort after the fact. But maybe your barn owner has some thing worked out with the guy and he's not a great record keeper and doesn't want to have to deal with the horse owners themselves. I can think of a lot of scenarios when what you've said could make sense from the barn owner/dentist perspective that would get lost in translation to the horse owner. I have a couple of horse people (a farrier and a body worker) who refuse to work with individual horse owners and only work through trainers/barn managers. I could totally see them being described in this way by someone who doesn't understand why they feel the way they feel.

      And yes, sometimes horses are sore after they get their teeth done. Sometimes because the dentist slips off of a tooth and (lightly) cuts into something sensitive, sometimes because something serious gets done (e.g. wolf teeth getting pulled). And I understand being a bit upset about not being told to, for example, bute him for a couple of days after the exam. But on occasion I've had horses that have come to me with some seriously wonky things where fixing them made the horse seem a little bit sore for a week or so after. And not because any manhandling was going on.

      With everything you've said, I would be more concerned that maybe the guy didn't do a great job and the behavior problems are coming up because something in his mouth is bothering him. So I think you're on the right track to find a new dentist.
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        #4
        Thanks.

        Simkie - Dr Neiderman has done floats for me in the past. She's on my list to call.
        But......

        I use a different farrier (trimmer) than the barn uses.

        To use a different dentist than others - I think would cause tension between me and BO.
        Dr N pulling up in her truck - pulling her stocks - - well - would be noticed.

        I'm not trying to be different - my horse health program is just different than the barn's.

        I use the same awesome vet clinic the barn does - so having a tooth float during monthly farm call should not step on anyone's toes.

        Asking around I'm learning that the DIQ (dentist in question) is thought by many to be an a**.

        When I finally got his name I googled to get info on him. Reviews. I also saw his name here on CofH.

        I followed a link to his FB page. I didn't like what I saw. I got sick to my stomach reading on his page.

        My experience with floating is sedation. All my previous horses had problems coming out of it.
        With Dr. N - restraint using portable stocks.
        With vets using a prop/crutch.
        All power floats.

        What the heck is hanging a head? I think that's what our vet clinic does for floats on farm calls.
        I think I've seen that done. But described to me - not sure - sounds kind of barbaric - for lack of better word.



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        • #5
          Not being permitted to use whichever professionals you want should probably be a "find another barn" red flag.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by grayarabs View Post
            What the heck is hanging a head? I think that's what our vet clinic does for floats on farm calls.
            I think I've seen that done. But described to me - not sure - sounds kind of barbaric - for lack of better word.
            It's identical (from the horse's perspective) to a crutch. Just the support is a rope overhead rather than a crutch underneath. I've never actually seen anyone work on a horse's mouth any other way (through 7 or 8 dentists through the years). I posted a link to a pic that's like my vet's setup (just the rope is attached to the top of my barn doorway rather than on a low-ish stocks bar....which is probably good since my horses are not small!)
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            Flying F Sport Horses
            Horses in the NW

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            • Original Poster

              #7
              Thanks.
              I read on CofH somewhere about a group of dentists from Florida that travels - sounds just what I want. But alas..........
              Rope support sounds fine as you describe.
              It doesn't sit well with me to have someone do a service - and not get written notes about what was seen, done and might need to be done. No communication.
              I had left a list of questions and my email address.
              In addition to float - I had asked for teeth to carefully be checked to get best estimate of my horse's age.
              I emphasized to BO how important this was for me - and why.
              I thought an equine dentist would be best for that.
              Angle of teeth, G. grooves, stars and spots on lower teeth.
              BO thinks the dentist aged him at 18.
              My horse didn't come with his registration papers.
              Being that he is an Arabian there are two ways to ID him.
              If he was born 2002 or after he would have DNA on file with AHA if he was registered.
              If born before 2002 I would have to go through AHA Datasource and go through hundreds (more actually) and try to find him by his markings.
              Best year to start searching would be the most help. Then go by sex, color and markings.
              I have pics of my horse's teeth before he was floated. Studying them recently - they make him look younger than 18 at that time.

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              • #8
                I don’t understand why your BO would have issues with you using the professionals that you like and trust! We have three different vets, 7 farriers, 2 chiropractors and others that come to our barn. The only thing you can’t do is bring in an outside trainer during the winter months.

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                  #9
                  Perhaps BO taking offense I don't want to use who she does? Her choices dentist, chiro and farrier she thinks so highly of? The possibility that BO gets something out of boarders using who she chooses? I pay our vets directly - obviously can communicate with them w/o going through her. I think perhaps the other boarders pay the farrier through her. IIRC I paid for the dentist - and probably the chiro adding the amount to my board check.

                  This is not a big show barn by any means. I can understand where some BO's and boarders would like it this way. All taken care of - just write a check. No need to be there - no need to know anything. She sets the appointments but doesn't otherwise do anything that I know of to warrant paying her above what they charge.

                  I'm a hands-on owner. In all my years of owning and boarding horses I've not experienced anything like this.

                  Maybe it's not the BO. Maybe the dentist, chiro and farrier - all three have said they don't want to deal with the owners. The kids I could understand. But the adults??

                  But still - I'm PO'd - to find out - after asking several times - politely - that 1.1/2 years ago as well as now - I cannot talk to, email or text the dentist - his terms. I assume.

                  To add: I can't be there during the day when he's there.

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                  • #10
                    When I lived in Houston I used Dr Mike Davis at the recommendation of my dentist from here. My older horse has a tricky mouth with some missing and damaged teeth so it has always been super important to have a top-notch dentist. He did a great job and was a very nice guy. I do remember I used to ship in to his clinic in Pearland but I don’t know if he also makes farm calls.
                    Building and Managing the Small Horse Farm: http://thesmallhorsefarm.blogspot.com

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                    • #11
                      I think it does no good to dwell on the past. A good vet is my choice to float my horses teeth when they need it. I am always there and I prefer to have sedation because I know my horses and a vet can administer sedation. A dentist cannot (well not legally).

                      My advice is that you use who ever you want and try to be there for the appointment.

                      Dental work done right does not have your horse unable to eat for days afterwards. I had 1 horse treated roughly during a float where the guy grabbed his tongue so he could do it ( dark ages of dental care). My guy couldn't eat for days and I never used him again.

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                      • #12
                        Neiderman- Professional, great documentation, communication. Davis is also good I have heard. I use some of the same people as my BO, some different. If that was a problem (my money, my plan for my horse's health care, my right to be an informed consumer and know background for medical treatment decisions, rationale for choices during procedures), I would drop my notice.

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