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    Last edited by Cruiser12; May. 13, 2019, 01:53 AM.

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    It's not always super easy or even possible to get a body removed for rendering/ buried etc. on a weekend. If it is super wet there they may not want to drive the tractor around/ across the fields and tear them up. It's certainly not ideal, but it's not necessarily a huge issue, either.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cruiser12
      Yeah, the farm folks are fully aware of this. I agree with what "Highflyer" said.

      if you're that worried, instead of bringing it to a forum, have a KIND conversation with the Barn Owner to see what the delay is.

      If you don't like the answer you can always take matters into your own hands and see how easy it is NOT to get a deceased animal quickly disposed of. One of the cattle farmers on my road once drug a cow up to the road for the rendering truck to pick up. To his great dismay that cow laid at the road for around three weeks. The turkey buzzards had taken care of most of it before the rendering truck got here. How would you have handled that one?

      Where I live it can be H**l just to find someone willing to dig the hole and help put the horse in that 8-10 feet deep hole, since I flat out refuse to see my horses go down the road to a renderer when I have plenty of rural property to lay them to rest.

      my deepest sympathies to the horse's owner -- I'm pretty sure they are a lot more upset over the issue than you are---

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      • #4
        If you've never had to deal with the logistics of disposing of a horse carcass, I'd be hesitant to pass judgement. It can be very difficult, very expensive and very weather dependent.

        If the horse was put down by injection, that poses a whole separate set of obstacles to dispose of the carcass.
        The plural of anecdote is not data.

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        • #5
          If you are in Ohio, I suspect you are beset by some of the weather patterns that my area has been afflicted with recently - wet, on top of wet, with more wet. We are dealing with monumental flooding at dangerous levels. This impacts ground integrity, water tables, land accessibility, etc. I can see how even that alone would slow down the removal of a body if the plan was to get it buried in the back acres.

          And relocating remains requires the same access to heavy machinery that burial does - if the ground is too wet for a tractor to get involved (or a tractor isn't available) then you are stuck at the moment.

          Is it ideal? No. But can I see how it happens? yes.

          Tough situation for all involved. If I were a bystander in this, I would keep my mouth shut and look the other way because I'd be certain there are other factors at play that I would be ignorant of and with the situation already as hard as it is, why add more difficulty on top of the sadness and grief.

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          • #6
            You've surmised that it may be too wet to bury.
            It may also be too wet to be moving the body without sinking the equipment up to the axles or beyond.
            Regardless, if you're wondering, why not ask the management?
            They are far more likely to know the answer than anyone here.
            "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

            ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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            • #7
              Every time I’ve had to bury one, it’s been late spring or early summer when the ground has been dry and able to withstand a large backhoe getting in and out. I’m not sure what I’d do if I’d had to bury one during a wet fall/winter like this past year.
              "We need a pinned ears icon." -MysticOakRanch

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cruiser12

                The owner doesn’t know that the horse is behind the barn not yet buried and no one , including myself, would be so heartless as to tell her. I forgot to mention that this farm has hundreds of acres, their own backhoe and dump truck. They should have at least pulled the dead horse down the gravel lane that they drive on daily and placed it away from the rest of us.
                However, if I was the owner of the deceased horse, I would have been sure that it was disposed of correctly and quickly or at least moved away from the barn area! I have lost horses before, I understood how sad it is.
                Well that puts a different spin on things

                they likely haven't done anything until the owner is informed. Not knowing how important, emotionally, the horse was to the owner, she may want to have it cremated and keep the ashes. That's an expensive process where horses are concerned.

                Or it's possible the farm owners either cannot or do not want to bury the horse on their property.

                sticky wicket when it's a boarding situation and sounds like it was pretty unexpected.

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                • #9
                  ETA: My post below is responding to a reply the OP made. It has since disappeared. It was essentially to the effect of "I'm apparently the only one who views this as a problem then" and I read it in a passive aggressive tone, which is why my response below is worded as such. I have no idea where that post has gone.

                  You are only assuming that the horse can be moved, as it sounds that you haven't actually spoken to anyone to confirm any of your thoughts.

                  That may not be true.

                  Assumptions are not wise. They are also unkind in an emotional situation.

                  I would advise exercising kindness, rather than manufacturing outrage. I certainly wouldn't consider this an ideal situation. But it may be the best of poor options for reasons unbeknownst to you. Be kind.
                  Last edited by Edre; May. 12, 2019, 10:18 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Edre View Post
                    ETA: My post below is responding to a reply the OP made. It has since disappeared. It was essentially to the effect of "I'm apparently the only one who views this as a problem then" and I read it in a passive aggressive tone, which is why my response below is worded as such. I have no idea where that post has gone.

                    You are only assuming that the horse can be moved, as it sounds that you haven't actually spoken to anyone to confirm any of your thoughts.

                    That may not be true.

                    Assumptions are not wise. They are also unkind in an emotional situation.

                    I would advise exercising kindness, rather than manufacturing outrage. I certainly wouldn't consider this an ideal situation. But it may be the best of poor options for reasons unbeknownst to you. Be kind.
                    He or she has edited this thread so many times I can't figure out what the heck the timeline is. Absent some smoking gun evidence pointing to the barn owners having a track record of leaving dead horses lying around; I think OP is probably being overly reactive. There's too many variables at play. Starting with the assumption that the horse is to be buried by the barn owners. Most boarding facilities cannot and will not. The only exception I know of was my neighbor. And it was a very special case. She'd looked after the horse most of it's life, it was the last boarder she had, and she owned the property and had no intentions of ever selling. The horse's owners had a profoundly disabled child and too much on their plate as it was. So, my neighbor made all the arrangements for them and had the horse buried there on her farm.

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                    • #11
                      Oh oh oh let's just say my sympathies and understanding go to horse owner and anyone who is trying to help them with what others have already pointed out is a monumental task. ZERO sympathy for OP.

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                      • #12
                        Dragging a dead horse down a gravel road is not a really good idea, I can promise you.

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                        • #13
                          Darn, the OP is gone.
                          Why ask a question and then remove it when you do not like the answers? Sigh.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                            Darn, the OP is gone.
                            Why ask a question and then remove it when you do not like the answers? Sigh.
                            Because they didn't want answers, they just wanted to be reaffirmed in their emotional response to the situation?

                            My answer was going to be: when you see a flock of vultures on the roof of the barn, maybe the carcass has been out a tad long. Wait for the vultures before you get upset.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                              Darn, the OP is gone.
                              Why ask a question and then remove it when you do not like the answers? Sigh.
                              Just because you can!


                              I don’t think she would like living here, if anything dies after the big freeze starts, we just pile snow on it, then hope that the ground melts enough to dig, before the snow mountain melts.
                              "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

                              "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                Darn, the OP is gone.
                                Why ask a question and then remove it when you do not like the answers? Sigh.
                                Because that's how Facebook works :-/

                                Don't like the answers? Delete your question. Don't like what specific people have to say? Block the person, and POOF it's like they don't exist at all.

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                                • #17
                                  I'm so confused, what just happened? Someone didn't immediately bury a horse?

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post
                                    I'm so confused, what just happened? Someone didn't immediately bury a horse?
                                    Yeah. The OP was really upset because a horse died over the weekend, and was left behind the barn with a tarp over it instead of, I don't know, getting taken to the funeral parlor or the morgue?? The weather was wet. OP thought they should be able to bury it immediately at the boarding barn or something. And "the owner didn't know the horse was lying out back" (no idea if that was true or not, since a halfway involved owner would certainly know the horse was dead plus they hadn't called the rendering truck yet). OP wanted horse at least dragged out of sight down the gravel drieway.

                                    Nobody shared the OPs shock and panic about this, so OP deleted everything and left the headless post to rot.

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                                    • #19
                                      Yes. It was a boarding barn, there was an unexpected horse death, and the OP, another boarder, was upset that the body was still under a tarp a couple of days later. Upset and implying that this was some sort of malfeasance on the BO or BM's part. No information on 1.) what part of the country this was in 2.) any limitations on what the BO/BM had to work with.

                                      Having once been in this situation and trying to hide the body so the other boarders wouldn't see it, a farm manager and I once put a horse carcass on a hay wagon, covered it with a tarp and parked the wagon in the farmyard amongst other farm equipment and hoped it wouldn't be noticed. I did comment that it looked like absolutely nothing else but a dead horse under a tarp, but the ruse was successful and we were able to contact the owner and make arrangements for the burial in due course with none of the boarders being the wiser. .
                                      The plural of anecdote is not data.

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