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  • #21
    If you're unhappy with how your horses look, and would like some advice on how to remedy that, it would be helpful to share what all they're getting (in pounds) plus any testing you've been able to get on your hay, and your general area. It's also nice to know what brands you have available.

    If you think your horses are too thin or just not thrifty on what they're getting now, then it may be they just need more calories than what a ration balancer can offer, and they need something with more calories. That could be something like TC Senior. To get the nutrition you need, you need to feed the poundage that's listed on the bag--which, iirc, is 6#s. You would feed only the senior and not the ration balancer.

    If 6#s of senior is too many calories, but a pound of ration balancer isn't enough, you can mix and match. Maybe a half pound of balancer and 3#s of senior will do it.

    A subscription to FeedXL can help suss out what is "enough" and what is "too much" and identify areas where more supplementation is needed.

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      #22
      Ok I will look into FeedXL! Thanks!

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Ziggylyla View Post
        I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. I’ve wormed them recently and the hay was tested with a result of low protein. I have been adding alfalfa pellets along with the fortified grain to try to remedy that. They have just been out on pasture land since it is winter and I don’t have an arena and such. I’m not sure what else I can do since there is no other hay in my area that is affordable. The prices have skyrocketed recently.
        Can you buy some alfalfa hay to supplement a few flakes a day? Got to be cheaper than the pellets.

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        • #24
          Check this out;
          https://www.mannapro.com/products/equine/horses
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          • #25
            Originally posted by Ziggylyla View Post
            Ok I will look into FeedXL! Thanks!
            If you are not going to test and weigh your hay and track how many pounds a day each horse is eating, FeedXL is a waste of money. Without knowing for sure exactly how much roughage and exactly what the roughage is wrt test results, your results from FeedXL could be way off.
            "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Ziggylyla View Post
              I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. I’ve wormed them recently and the hay was tested with a result of low protein. I have been adding alfalfa pellets along with the fortified grain to try to remedy that. They have just been out on pasture land since it is winter and I don’t have an arena and such. I’m not sure what else I can do since there is no other hay in my area that is affordable. The prices have skyrocketed recently.
              What does "low protein" mean? what might be lower than ideal may be providing enough total protein if the horse is eating enough. You'd also need to calculate how much protein is coming from the hard feed.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                If you are not going to test and weigh your hay and track how many pounds a day each horse is eating, FeedXL is a waste of money. Without knowing for sure exactly how much roughage and exactly what the roughage is wrt test results, your results from FeedXL could be way off.
                And the OP already stated that the hay has been tested.

                Originally posted by Ziggylyla View Post
                I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. I’ve wormed them recently and the hay was tested with a result of low protein. I have been adding alfalfa pellets along with the fortified grain to try to remedy that. They have just been out on pasture land since it is winter and I don’t have an arena and such. I’m not sure what else I can do since there is no other hay in my area that is affordable. The prices have skyrocketed recently.

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                  #28
                  The protein content was 1.8%

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Ziggylyla View Post
                    The protein content was 1.8%
                    Are you sure? I've seen 4% protein, not sure if I've seen 3% or my head is making that up, but never *that* low. What the heck? What kind of hay is it? Was it cut so late it might as well be straw?
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                      #30
                      That’s what the anaysis said. It looks like straw so yes it was probably cut pretty late. I’m not the one who buys the hay I don’t really have a say in the matter. I have my horses at a friend of mines and he buys in bulk. That’s why I supplement. He knows it’s just filler because he uses it for his sheep. The horses also have some grass growing in the pasture as well it’s not just this hay.

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                        #31
                        It’s native grass as well so that’s a good indicator it’s not high in protein because it’s in the panhandle

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                        • #32
                          I would say that what you're describing is not something I'd be feeding any significant amounts of. Indigestible fiber has to be high (what is the NDF?), and with protein that low, there rest of it has to be pretty poor. What is ADF?

                          If it's indigestible and unpalatable, it's going to take a lot more than normal amounts of any fortified feed to get things up to par.
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                            #33
                            Adf is 46%

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                            • #34
                              Grasses should be between 30-35%-ish ADF, so 46% is really high. NDF? I'm betting pretty high too, a good bit over 60%. Can you at all find some even decent hay? This doesn't sound suitable at all for horses. I'd be worried about impactions, or a true hay belly, from high indigestible fiber, and it's certainly low in nutrition.
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                                #35
                                I will definitely look for some but I don’t think there isn’t any around for at least 2-3 hrs away.

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                                • #36
                                  Given the hay is so grim, you might want to consider feeding the bulk of the nutrition in a senior feed, as you would for a toothless oldster, and just use the hay for "chew" factor to keep them entertained.

                                  Will be costly but might be as good as it gets in a poor hay year.

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                                  • #37
                                    I agree, 10-15lb of TC Sr, add in 5-10lb of soaked alfalfa cubes (for long-stem fiber), and hope that's good enough.

                                    Is there anyone around you who would want to go in on a load of hay that would make delivery from 2-3 hours away worthwhile?
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                                      #38
                                      I don’t think so but I will look into it for sure!! I didn’t think about a complete feed. That could work as well!

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                                      • #39
                                        Ziggylyla is there any chance you can post the hay analysis? I'm really intrigued by something so low in protein, and am curious what the rest of the analysis looks like
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                                        • #40
                                          Triple Crown also does good quality bagged grass forage. (chopped)
                                          https://www.triplecrownfeed.com/products/grass-forage/

                                          So does ADM; (cubes or pellets)
                                          https://www.admanimalnutrition.com/w...orageproducts1


                                          You might check this carb table for TSC too.
                                          https://www.triplecrownfeed.com/wp-c..._web020819.pdf
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