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    #21
    Interesting, I am in GA and noticed a change in TCS with my guy and not in a good way. Have always used it. On Strategy GX now and good with it.
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      #22
      Originally posted by wsmoak View Post
      No issues other than I am seeing the occasional piece of whole corn. I assume it's from not cleaning the equipment in between products.
      This is actually because feed mills generally use whole corn to clean the equipment between batches, it knocks the crumbles & chunks out of corners & conveyors. I asked TC about something else & they sent me a ton of great info about the process & answered questions I had. Mills also run feeds from most to least sensitive, so for example a feed for highly allergic animals would be milled first while something any goat could choke down would go last. (don't hate me, goat keepers, it's just an example)

      I don't feed Senior, just Complete & Balancer, but haven't had any problems in NC . The single piece of corn doesn't bother me, especially now that I understand where it came from, it's easily visible so I just toss it in the grass for deer or squirrels.

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        #23
        The only quality control issue I have noticed is that my Triple Crown Senior did not clump nearly as badly this winter as it did last winter. I never had to chisel it out of the trash can, not even during an extended deep freeze. I consider that a positive!

        I also feed their 30% Ration Balancer; no quality control issues, I just wish it tasted better for the horses. It's the only RB I've used where the horses are like, "meh." I don't know why they find it so much less palatable than the competitors, but that's not a new problem.

        I haven't seen much of any corn. I've fed a lot of brands of feed over the years, and occasionally corn is pretty consistent across all brands because of what Wildlifer mentioned.
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          #24
          I don't think I've ever noticed an issue in QC with TC Senior. I'm in MA.

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            #25
            I had 2 hard bags over the winter out of probably 30 bags. It was fine for the most part. Hard bags were super hard though, had to wack them with a 2x4 to get them scoopable

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              #26
              No issues here in NC. I find the occasional corn kernel that I toss out which doesn't bother me. I do have some bags where the feed is more "sticky" than others. Sometimes I think this might be because of how the bags were stored -- warmer temps made the molasses softer. Hasn't seemed to affect the quality of those bags of feed though.
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                #27
                I had only a couple of dry bags and then the quality was back to normal. However, just this past week found a large piece of paper bagging and a large wood splinter just about as long as my index finger and half as wide.
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                  #28
                  Last sack I bought for the handful I feed to carry the thyroid supplement powder, the store was out of Safe Choice senior, so bought TC senior.

                  Horse gobbles it even faster than the other.
                  He loves it, must be the extra molasses.
                  Also the powder sticks to this feed better.
                  Am on the second bag and have only found a bit of hard packed small chunks, maybe a handful per bag.

                  Most commercial rations by national companies are farmed out to local mills.
                  The resulting feed quality depends on those mills and not all mills are the same.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                    Last sack I bought for the handful I feed to carry the thyroid supplement powder, the store was out of Safe Choice senior, so bought TC senior

                    Most commercial rations by national companies are farmed out to local mills.
                    The resulting feed quality depends on those mills and not all mills are the same.
                    No, most commercial rations are manufactured by the company who owns the brand. Every large feed company (Purina, Cargill, Kent, ADM, Hubbard, Ridley and more) in the U.S. has their own regional mills. They control ingredient quality and safety, as well as traceability. They also control manufacturing standards and processes that way, i.e. batch sequencing, medications that are in the mill, quality assurance, etc. Some products are only manufactured in specific mills due to specialized equipment or ingredients.

                    The finished product is then shipped reasonable distances between mills.

                    There are instances of toll milling, but they are not all that common, especially in producing equine feeds, due to possible medication contamination.
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by cutter99 View Post

                      No, most commercial rations are manufactured by the company who owns the brand. Every large feed company (Purina, Cargill, Kent, ADM, Hubbard, Ridley and more) in the U.S. has their own regional mills. They control ingredient quality and safety, as well as traceability. They also control manufacturing standards and processes that way, i.e. batch sequencing, medications that are in the mill, quality assurance, etc. Some products are only manufactured in specific mills due to specialized equipment or ingredients.

                      The finished product is then shipped reasonable distances between mills.

                      There are instances of toll milling, but they are not all that common, especially in producing equine feeds, due to possible medication contamination.
                      Good to know today is different and those companies stand behind their products no matter where made.

                      Didn't use to be that way.

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                        #31
                        Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                        Good to know today is different and those companies stand behind their products no matter where made.

                        Didn't use to be that way.
                        They actually also hold on to retained samples.

                        Feed bags are with tagged or have the bag or sealing strip printed with coding that tells you when and where the product was made. Most feed companies participate in the Safe Feed, Safe Food program as a way of keeping our nation's food supply safe.

                        http://safefeedsafefood.org/main/cer...facilities.cfm
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                          #32
                          Originally posted by cutter99 View Post

                          They actually also hold on to retained samples.

                          Feed bags are with tagged or have the bag or sealing strip printed with coding that tells you when and where the product was made. Most feed companies participate in the Safe Feed, Safe Food program as a way of keeping our nation's food supply safe.

                          http://safefeedsafefood.org/main/cer...facilities.cfm
                          Decades ago, we feed weanling calves Purina pellets.
                          They were to deliver them into big self feeders, first time we tried that.
                          A local mill made them for Purina.

                          Someone didn't manage the delivery properly.
                          Pellets sat in the truck in the rain and some of them molded, waiting for delivery.
                          We lost almost 50 calves to those moldy pellets.
                          At that time, according to the dealers that sold the feed, the Purina regional representative and the local dealer, Purina was not responsible, the mill was.
                          We never got any reparation for any of that loss, had already paid the bill on delivery.
                          Our then older vet is who had the samples and had sent them on for testing.
                          He didn't want to go to court to decide who was at fault here.
                          We honored that, at a total loss all around.

                          Have since heard of other such situations where the mills were contracting for the big companies.
                          Those companies didn't have the control of the mill we tended to assume.
                          ???????Or stand the liability their name implies behind their products.

                          Interesting that today they have different protocols they follow, so that doesn't happen.

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                            Decades ago, we feed weanling calves Purina pellets.
                            They were to deliver them into big self feeders, first time we tried that.
                            A local mill made them for Purina.

                            Someone didn't manage the delivery properly.
                            Pellets sat in the truck in the rain and some of them molded, waiting for delivery.
                            We lost almost 50 calves to those moldy pellets.
                            At that time, according to the dealers that sold the feed, the Purina regional representative and the local dealer, Purina was not responsible, the mill was.
                            We never got any reparation for any of that loss, had already paid the bill on delivery.
                            Our then older vet is who had the samples and had sent them on for testing.
                            He didn't want to go to court to decide who was at fault here.
                            We honored that, at a total loss all around.

                            Have since heard of other such situations where the mills were contracting for the big companies.
                            Those companies didn't have the control of the mill we tended to assume.
                            Or stand the liability their name implies behind their products.

                            Interesting that today they have different protocols they follow, so that doesn't happen.
                            I believe things changed greatly after the event of Mad Cow Disease, mainly in an effort to keep diseases like it from spreading to our food sources. PEDv in swine had also caused concern for what goes into feed as well, as feed was found to be a major way the disease was spread.

                            One of the top ten manufacturers of horse feed, that I worked for, can tell you what was hauled on the truck before it brought you its current load of ingredients, and where the truck was washed and cleaned out before your ingredients were loaded. And that is just ingredients! The company I worked for also had its own bulk trucks, again for quality control and assurance. If they are not your trucks, you cannot control what happens to the feed once it is loaded on to someone else's truck.

                            I don't think most people realize what steps feed manufacturers take to insure the safety of their product. Many complain about the cost of a bag of feed, and you can find cheaper feeds out there, but I can guarantee you that the cheaper feeds will not have the same quality control.
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