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2 1/2 year old with DOD in hocks....tell me it's not the end of the world

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    2 1/2 year old with DOD in hocks....tell me it's not the end of the world

    I had to retire my 14 year old gelding due to injury 2 year ago. Bought a yearling with the hopes of him being my long time hopefully sound riding partner. He popped up lame right before WEG reg vet didn't find anything and he wasn't getting better by the time I got home so hauled him off to the specialist clinic to get to the root of the problem. He has really rough hock xrays. 2.5/5 lame on the left very mildly lame on the right, left hock x-ray is the worse. Vet did hock injections said he should be able to fulfill my pleasure riding goals as long as he reacts well to the hock injections. I know it could be worse but I still have a lame 2 yr old. Honestly just really tired of the shit hands life keeps dealing me. Both my dogs have major issues and are 2 and 6 yrs old and any horse I buy ends up with major issues.


    Any long term management suggestions. Would hind shoes be worth it and make a difference? Vet seemed indifferent said it could help but sometimes it doesn't make a difference.

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    I don't suppose you have any higher res copies of the pictures do you? It's hard to determine joint space from fuzziness and fuzzy and different shades of grey and white indicate degeneration. What did your vet actually determine he didn't like? Is he just concerned about the lower hocks? I have had a few with very early lower hock changes with hairline fractures and degeneration feom the body remodeling due to stress and then retracting....the best thing for lower hocks with big issues are normally when they fuse, then the horse has all the flexibility he will ever have and the witches hooks on the ends and uneven joint space matters very little

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      Lets see if this picture is better. Basically the middle joint on the left hock is partially fused and doesn't have normal joint spacing at all. He said it's possible it would fuse over time but not guaranteed. In vet speak on the notes it says there is moderate to severe sclerosis and partial collapse of the distal intertarsal joint, and mild to moderate bony remodeling of the tarsometatarsal joint of the left hock. There is mild bony remodeling at the dorsal aspect of the distal intertarsal and tarsometatarsal joints of the right hock.
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        #4
        In the first picture where your mouse is it's easy to see the witches nose on the end and of course the degeneration around it, sometimes if that nose keeps getting hit it will break off and pull more bone off with it. Obviously lots of shades of grey showing remodeling and weak spots, the black hole in the middle is where your vet is aiming when he injects him.

        Silly of your vet to say it's possible the joint will fuse....all of them fuse eventually. I have one right now that I tossed out for a break. Similar uneven joint space, areas where the bone is much less dense. We opted for just the time all and then injecting them a couple times with a corticosteroid will help them fuse faster. I know it's out of the box and unconventional but once the hocks are fused the joint should bother the horse very little....my vet said a lot of the barrel horse people will actually freeze the lower hock joint which immediately takes care of the problem but the white spots can make prospective buyers in the performance horse industry throw themselves.

        I get that many find it unconventional to inject to make the joint fuse or to freeze it, just offering some more out of the box things than inject once and then give up.
        PS I've had it take 2 or 3 times of injecting lower hocks to get a big wow reaction, did you vet comment about how the joint space felt when he injected? If they are hard to get into sometimes they can inject the medial and get it over top of the lower joint

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          #5
          Thanks for your experiences. The vet said it most likely will fuse but isn't guaranteed and it could take a long time. He doesn't recommend injecting alcohol to encourage it to fuse because he's seen it go wrong a number of times. He said it's usually his his last resort option.

          we injected corticosteroids in all 3 joints of the hock and they were all successful. In the worse middle joint the vet said he was able to get a lot of the steroid in which was a good sign.

          Crossing my my fingers it works I'll be able to trot him in a few days to judge if he seems more comfortable

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            #6
            Hi, one question did you x ray when he was yearling? If yes, was there a difference between the two?

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              I didn't xray as a yearling. He was sound and didn't show any reactions to flexions so I didn't do xrays. Definitely wish I had now

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                Originally posted by stargzng386 View Post
                I didn't xray as a yearling. He was sound and didn't show any reactions to flexions so I didn't do xrays. Definitely wish I had now
                I don t understand why some vets tell not to xrays yearlings. I had x rays done to two yearlings before buying mine, both had major issues that you could allready see. I kbow that it isnot a guarantee but it s hard to start with a major problem. I am sorry for you because i had also to deal with big issues and it is heartbreaking, i hope your horse will be fine

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                  #9
                  It wasn't so much the vet saying don't x-ray but my judgment call. I met his dam, sire and a whole host of foals through 4 year olds by the same sire. Everyone was sound with no known major issues. I was friends with someone who worked there for years and wouldn't sugar coat anything so I felt the risk was low. He lived out in a 200 acre field on grass/hay not getting overfed.

                  As long as he can be maintained on injections and still ridden through his life I won't complain. If he has to be retired young or cost a fortune to fix I'm giving up on horses. Had this happen too many times to care anymore to be honest. He's an absolute sweetheart and I love him to death so if I end up just going out to groom him then so be it.

                  To be honest not sure if I can buy again even with a crazy pre-purchase exam because that doesn't always catch everything. My last guy cleared his and had crazy chronic lyme, 5 years of random issues and was retired at 14.

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                    #10
                    Just wanted to give support to the op. I'm sorry and hope he'll come sound with injections.

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                      Originally posted by stargzng386 View Post
                      It wasn't so much the vet saying don't x-ray but my judgment call. I met his dam, sire and a whole host of foals through 4 year olds by the same sire. Everyone was sound with no known major issues. I was friends with someone who worked there for years and wouldn't sugar coat anything so I felt the risk was low. He lived out in a 200 acre field on grass/hay not getting overfed.

                      As long as he can be maintained on injections and still ridden through his life I won't complain. If he has to be retired young or cost a fortune to fix I'm giving up on horses. Had this happen too many times to care anymore to be honest. He's an absolute sweetheart and I love him to death so if I end up just going out to groom him then so be it.

                      To be honest not sure if I can buy again even with a crazy pre-purchase exam because that doesn't always catch everything. My last guy cleared his and had crazy chronic lyme, 5 years of random issues and was retired at 14.
                      you are right, i bought my mare she had clean x rays and in only one year she had EVERY problem you can imagine. So clean x rays are no guarantee. sorry for you, sometimes i also just want to give up

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                        A couple years ago I was getting pretty frustrated with a talented young horse I had, just when I thought she was getting the hang of it, we would go 5 steps back....it was overwhelming and maddening for me because i knew this horses talent....i was expressing my frustrations to a very wise and now recently passed on horseman and asking him what he thought I should do....he looked at me with knowing eyes and said, you know, in the last 50 years I've learned one thing about horses, they are like a price sheet....and at the bottom, in the fine print, it says "subject to change without notice."
                        I've taken that line, "subject to change without notice" and applied it to training, to horses soundness and health, to their attitude, to everything. Everything in horses is subject to change without notice. I really hope your horse has some changes for the better but take comfort that most all of us have "been there" and know what you're going through!

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                          Originally posted by TheHunterKid90 View Post
                          A couple years ago I was getting pretty frustrated with a talented young horse I had, just when I thought she was getting the hang of it, we would go 5 steps back....it was overwhelming and maddening for me because i knew this horses talent....i was expressing my frustrations to a very wise and now recently passed on horseman and asking him what he thought I should do....he looked at me with knowing eyes and said, you know, in the last 50 years I've learned one thing about horses, they are like a price sheet....and at the bottom, in the fine print, it says "subject to change without notice."
                          I've taken that line, "subject to change without notice" and applied it to training, to horses soundness and health, to their attitude, to everything. Everything in horses is subject to change without notice. I really hope your horse has some changes for the better but take comfort that most all of us have "been there" and know what you're going through!
                          You are right, i don t do too many plans ahead anymore....anyway, love your post, you are so right!!!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by TheHunterKid90 View Post
                            A couple years ago I was getting pretty frustrated with a talented young horse I had, just when I thought she was getting the hang of it, we would go 5 steps back....it was overwhelming and maddening for me because i knew this horses talent....i was expressing my frustrations to a very wise and now recently passed on horseman and asking him what he thought I should do....he looked at me with knowing eyes and said, you know, in the last 50 years I've learned one thing about horses, they are like a price sheet....and at the bottom, in the fine print, it says "subject to change without notice."
                            I've taken that line, "subject to change without notice" and applied it to training, to horses soundness and health, to their attitude, to everything. Everything in horses is subject to change without notice. I really hope your horse has some changes for the better but take comfort that most all of us have "been there" and know what you're going through!
                            I love this! Totally true. Sometimes it takes a few days to swallow the news and process it. You really can't plan but just go with the flow. It's hard looking back on 12 years of horse ownership and swallow the fact that I've barely ridden regularly due to never ending physical issues.

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