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UPDATE Post #23 - Dry spots under saddle - help me analyze

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  • CanteringCarrot
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    Much improved!

    I never had a monoflap until the one I have now and now I prefer them! Easier to clean

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  • Posting Trot
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    The Ellis saddle looks like a hugely better fit.

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  • WildLittleWren
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    Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post
    Update: Saddle fitter came back out. I wasn't totally sold on a monoflap, but once I sat in this saddle the answer was clear. Mare seemed happy in it, though she is always a little snippy (that's her MO).

    Coming in early '19, Adan Ellis Bonnie Event in dark brown.
    This saddle looks to fit MUCH better. I sadly understand the too curvy tree, as my mustang has a very flat back. I had to try out 6 saddles before I finally found one that fit my mare, and made both myself and my mare happy.

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  • endlessclimb
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    Update: Saddle fitter came back out. I wasn't totally sold on a monoflap, but once I sat in this saddle the answer was clear. Mare seemed happy in it, though she is always a little snippy (that's her MO).

    Coming in early '19, Adam Ellis Bonnie Event in dark brown.
    Last edited by endlessclimb; Sep. 28, 2018, 09:38 AM.

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  • IPEsq
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    I just clicked around on a couple, and at least the Vesuvio is said to be for 'flatter backs' and long withers (sounds like more modern warmblood type).

    https://www.amerigo-saddles.com/en/c...nerolo-176610/

    Similar description on the DJ.

    So, they probably do have more than one jump tree.

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  • endlessclimb
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    I know the photo doesn't show it, but I can easily see light through the gullet. I can also stick 3 fingers between her withers and the channel no problem. It's not pinching from the get go, but it certainly might be with my weight in it.

    The backs of my saddle pads do get super scuzzy, so I bet the banana shapedness of the saddle is causing instability back there.

    question for those who can read amerigos super crappy website - do they make a flatter tree? Or am I stuck going to another brand? I have really liked this saddle, but if it doesn't fit her, it doesn't fit her.

    The saddle fitter coming out is an Adam Ellis and ikonic rep. Something about the ikonics I didnt like much, personally.

    thanks everyone for your feedback, I really appreciate it!

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  • arabiansrock
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    IPEsq nailed it. That tree is way too curvy for your horse. Since you are in Chicago maybe contact Smith Worthington. I have never sat in one of their saddles but many people have said what stellar service and fitting they got from them. An independent rep is always best however, as noted above.

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  • IPEsq
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    From the pictures you have been able to upload, it looks like the curve of the tree is wrong for this horse. That itself can create various pressure points because weight is not being distributed properly. It's already wanting to be curved up in the back and the panels aren't contacting the horse well. I'd bet that even if the width is generally ok, with you sitting on the saddle and tying it down with a breastplate, it's rocking to the front and pinching there. You need a tree that's less banana-shaped for this horse.

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  • SuzieQNutter
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    The photo from behind I can not see through. You can stand on something behind and get someone to shine a torch from the front. If you can not see the light it is a no go.

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  • Twigster
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    Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post
    Here are some of the pictures I took today - anyone know an easy way to resize on an android? Its saying some are too large...
    This opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it, but those panels do not look to be an appropriate shape nor the tree an appropriate curvature for your horse. I would get a qualified fitter, someone with independent credentials and not a brand rep, out ASAP and get a new saddle. The good news is your saddle is worth a good chunk of change on resale.

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  • endlessclimb
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    Here are some of the pictures I took today - anyone know an easy way to resize on an android? Its saying some are too large...
    Attached Files

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  • Guilherme
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    Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post

    To clarify - I added the third shim AFTER I started seeing more pronounced dry spots, as a test. I thought maybe the saddle, being a titch too wide, was scooting down during a ride and causing the pinching. The third shim didn't help with that, so I'm dealing with something else I suppose.

    I'll get the girthed up/no pad pictures today, and am getting in touch with the second saddle fitter again. Thanks for taking a look everyone, I appreciate it.
    It appears that the saddle is too narrow at the withers so shimming in that area would be exact opposite of what you want to do. Even shimming further back won't help you if this is the issue, and may hurt if you end up transferring the pressure to another point.

    If it is correct that the problem is narrowness at the front there is little you can do besides trade the saddle for one that fits by being wider at the front. This is probably not what you want to hear but is what appears to be the case from the photos.

    Check the rest, including adjustment of the breast plate to ensure you're seeing things correctly.

    Good luck as you move on.

    G.

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  • endlessclimb
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    Originally posted by ake987 View Post

    I think it is more likely pinching causing the dry spots, especially given OP said she added a third shim to the front of the pad recently.

    OP, I believe you are seeing more pronounced dry spots now because of the added pressure of the third shim. It's really hard to tell anything useful by the photos you posted, but if you could take a picture from the side, girthed up, standing square on level ground, a lot of knowledgeable people on here could give you some decent insight.
    To clarify - I added the third shim AFTER I started seeing more pronounced dry spots, as a test. I thought maybe the saddle, being a titch too wide, was scooting down during a ride and causing the pinching. The third shim didn't help with that, so I'm dealing with something else I suppose.

    I'll get the girthed up/no pad pictures today, and am getting in touch with the second saddle fitter again. Thanks for taking a look everyone, I appreciate it.

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  • endlessclimb
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    I couldn't get the photos with the saddle last night, but will get them tomorrow. I am definitely unhappy with the localized spots, and want to get this fixed - without breaking the bank!

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  • SuzieQNutter
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    Yes too much pressure can mean pinching. Adding stuff under the saddle can make it worse.

    To add to tbe post above.

    Step 3 does the rider love the saddle when they ride in it?

    Step 4 what position does the saddle put the rider in?

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  • ake987
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    Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

    A dry spot like that can mean the opposite. There is too much pressure which prevents sweating. You will end up with a saddle sore and in the future the hair there will turn white.

    Stop using this saddle.

    Find a third saddle fitter if those 2 fitters are no good.

    The photo of the horse does not help. You put the saddle on the horse with no saddle blanket then check that you can see daylight all the way through. That is a start. The dry patches is the next step in eliminating a saddle.
    I think it is more likely pinching causing the dry spots, especially given OP said she added a third shim to the front of the pad recently.

    OP, I believe you are seeing more pronounced dry spots now because of the added pressure of the third shim. It's really hard to tell anything useful by the photos you posted, but if you could take a picture from the side, girthed up, standing square on level ground, a lot of knowledgeable people on here could give you some decent insight.

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  • SuzieQNutter
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    Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
    I'm also curious. I tend to think that a large dry spot means the saddle is not touching the horse, for Instance when panels bridge.
    A dry spot like that can mean the opposite. There is too much pressure which prevents sweating. You will end up with a saddle sore and in the future the hair there will turn white.

    Stop using this saddle.

    Find a third saddle fitter if those 2 fitters are no good.

    The photo of the horse does not help. You put the saddle on the horse with no saddle blanket then check that you can see daylight all the way through. That is a start. The dry patches is the next step in eliminating a saddle.

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  • kiwichick
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    you def have an issue there, and those arent large spots by my definition, they are fairly localised.
    I reckon the tree point angle might be off, but either way I would be unhappy with that

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  • Twigster
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    A picture of the saddle on the horse, without a rider up would be the most helpful for people to help you evaluate. With a tree that might be not quite the right shape, and a horse that might looking for one size wider, my first instinct is to say that that the dry spots are not due to a gap but due to pinching. I think you are in a tricky situation, with a saddle you like and a horse who is telling you something different, and a pair of fitters who are telling you yet something else. Somewhere in there is a middle ground which doesn't compromise rider or horse comfort. For me, my horse isn't an easy beast, and hands down the best money I have ever spent is on a Society of Master Saddlers qualified fitter. The one I use is in the Midwest, but I am not sure she covers Chicago area.

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  • IPEsq
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    IME, spots in that location mean you have pinching. Could be too small. Could be wrong angle to the tree points. Could be too wide and just not having the right parts sitting where they are supposed to be.

    I wonder also if your breastplate may be trying to pull the saddle forward as well? Wouldn't be the first time I've seen a breastplate negatively impact saddle fit.

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