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Tripping: Does this hoof need help?

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  • #21
    Originally posted by BlueDrifter View Post

    He came with shoes, and I am in SoCal, and trails are rocky. I may try him barefoot at some other time, but he is new to me, so I kept shoes on him. I thought of pulling his shoes while I hand-walk him over the next couple weeks, but even our barn area is hard compacted decomposed granite -- like sandpaper for most barefoot horses.

    So I agree with you in principle, but there are very few barefoot horses out here despite lots of people trying!

    A crooked shoe.. I didn't see that, I will double check all of them tomorrow.

    Ah. I assumed from what you read that he was barefoot before and not that they had just taken the shoes off.

    I live in an area with almost the exact same terrain as you, and all three horses are barefoot. The only issues I have are tenderfootedness on rocks on cement when their feet get super soft from rain (which usually doesn't happen except Nov. to March/April.)

    I hope you get it resolved. I just wanted to add another idea.

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    • #22
      I would have the vet keep looking also further for some other reason for tripping than the shoeing or feet.
      That is a good start, but not the only place tripping may come from.

      Here, when a regular vet is not sure what is going on, people haul to a specialist some 3+ hours away for second consultation.

      A friend did that and the specialist found a spot with a chip on an ankle that was missed in the initial x-rays and took it out.
      Horse is like new, after months of being not quite right and no one finding a reason.

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        #23
        Hi Bluey-

        Well that is interesting about the ankle.. I think I'd rather go down that path before the MRI path, which I have been down before. Thanks for that tip to look elsewhere.

        JB!

        Maybe I spoke too soon about his solar ratio being 50:50. Still trying to get good photos, but I need a handler. The photos don't look like it is 50:50, but when I eyeballed it, it seemed that way, not 1/3 - 2/3.

        But I have a question for you and everyone -- if his toe is too long, how do they fix it, given that the xray doesn't show a lot of toe past the coffin bone?

        Lastly, he seems to trip on both front feet, but the slight lameness was only on the RF, the one I have been posting photos of, and the one with the crooked shoe. I don't know if that gives more creedence that it might be shoeing since it happens with both.

        GramV -- yes, the shoe *does* look crooked. I can't believe I didn't notice that.

        I am awaiting the new farrier, hoping to get her in this week.

        Thx much

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        • #24
          BlueDrifter it's more backing up the toe (although this horse does have too much foot) the length of the toe needs shortened, to move back, if that makes more sense. It shortens the lever and makes breakover easier. This might explain it better than I can. Your boy isn't as bad as the picture in the link, but it gives you an idea of what we're talking about.
          http://www.all-natural-horse-care.co...-trimming.html
          Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
          Tinner's Way x Sculpture by Hail to Reason
          "Once you go off track, you never go back!"

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            #25
            Originally posted by BoyleHeightsKid View Post
            BlueDrifter it's more backing up the toe (although this horse does have too much foot) the length of the toe needs shortened, to move back, if that makes more sense. It shortens the lever and makes breakover easier. This might explain it better than I can. Your boy isn't as bad as the picture in the link, but it gives you an idea of what we're talking about.
            http://www.all-natural-horse-care.co...-trimming.html
            A nice website! I understand how backing up the toe will work, especially if there is a flare or distinct bending of the tubules -- they nipper off the excess as much as they can and then the new hoof grows down more attached to the coffin bone angle -- rinse and repeat. But my guy doesn't seem to have flare, the hoof wall looks like it is paralleling the coffin bone already, and there doesn't appear (to me) to have a lot of toe in front of the coffin bone. So not sure the exact way to eliminate "long toe."

            Good news is that new farrier will try to get here this week and I am sure she will show me how it works.

            jan

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            • #26
              IMO the xray does show he has too much toe. It's not horrible, but it could be enough to make him more prone to tripping.

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                #27
                IPEsq, that is music to my ears! I would love for shoeing to fix the tripping and super-happy if it resolved the lameness, too!

                I drew a line where I thought the toe could be backed up, too. Not a very good line, but somewhere near the first nail. I assume the black shadow surrounding the coffin bone must be some tissue other than horn, and thus it can't be backed up into that area. Do you think it can be more?

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                • #28
                  BlueDrifter yes that would ideal. Good news is the farrier can put the breakover where it needs to be right now by setting the shoe back. I will also add your boy needs heel support and I suspect (would need video to be sure) the tripping could be from a toe first landing. He doesn't want to set the heel down because he's sore. I've seen lame horses come sound in just a couple of resets where the heels were brought back by a good trim and supported with a correctly set shoe.

                  Heel pain can be caused by heels that are left to get underrun. Eventually they crush or fold under and then the horse becomes sore because the foot cannot function as it should. If you get a chance Gene Ovnicek has a channel on YouTube called HoofCareToday and he's got a lot of great video's on there.

                  Here's another great article on underrun heels and how they can be managed or corrected. Again, your boy isn't anything close to this but it helps explain what causes them and how to correct them. Your boy shouldn't be a tough case at all and could be straightened out in just a couple of resets IMO by someone who knows what they are doing.
                  https://practicalhorsemanmag.com/hea...un-heels-11569
                  Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
                  Tinner's Way x Sculpture by Hail to Reason
                  "Once you go off track, you never go back!"

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                    #29
                    New farrier yesterday. Natural balance. Fingers crossed that this helps with his tripping.

                    He seemed to walk off better immediately after the shoeing, and then again today while tack-walking, although he tripped once. She said he would need a week to really tell if it has an impact.

                    I am hoping the new shoeing will address the tripping, and if the lameness gets better too, it is a bonus, otherwise it will just help the healing process

                    She put him in a smaller shoe and adjusted medial-lateral balance for RF. She said she couldn't get all the flare off in one session. And although she said she didn't shorten the toes much, it seemed that way to me!

                    (And try as I may, taking photos by myself doesn't make them completely square... which I don't see until I post them here, lol)

                    Here are before (@ two weeks in) and today.
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                    • #30
                      That shoe certainly fits better! It's not uneven.

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                      • #31
                        Nice update! Yes, it may take a week or a couple to really see how things fall out. He's going to be able to use his body differently, so that itself will take a bit of time.
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