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  • Horse has neurological symptoms when cycling

    Has anyone ever dealt with a "neuro" acting horse when in heat? I'm really at my wits end with this mare (I think I've posted about her before) and all her issues. This particular issue is more of a frustration, but could be dangerous if one isn't aware of it when handling her.
    If you touch her she will lean into you, and has nearly fallen on me when I'm trying to handle her hind feet. She will also pin you to a wall with her body. When asked to move away she doesn't seem aware of her feet and will keep leaning into me until I am beating on her with whatever I am holding. At that point she will awkwardly hop over, not step over. She usually does this with a lowered head and seems zoned out. She also has a ton of trouble backing up.

    She started on Depo last week (5cc) for another issue. She is in raging heat this week with no change of attitude, actually seems more anxious and is constantly calling to the other horses, something she never does. Other than the neuro symptoms she is constantly squatting and is friendlier in heat. When not in heat she is fine and very obedient on the ground, will move away from very light pressure and backs properly.

    ???????Any thoughts on this? She passes a neuro check fine when not cycling.

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    Has she had a thorough repro exam?

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      Originally posted by Highflyer View Post
      Has she had a thorough repro exam?
      She had blood checked for hormone levels - we thought she might have a granulosa cell tumor - all normal.

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        I used to have a mare like that. She was quite dopey when in heat. She lost her focus, and anything happening near her hind end caused her to seemingly lose control. Hormones and age helped. We never found anything physically wrong (we did blood and ultra sound), and she was lovely to ride during that phase, so we just learnt to deal with it. She was also odd in that she came into heat year round, and even when pregnant (she had two foals). She was also the only horse I have known that could pee and trot.

        My new mare, has different, but also possibly seemingly neurological issues when in heat, but in her case, her issues came with her seeming concerned. I am getting her checked by a repo specialist tomorrow.
        Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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          Originally posted by CHT View Post
          I used to have a mare like that. She was quite dopey when in heat. She lost her focus, and anything happening near her hind end caused her to seemingly lose control. Hormones and age helped. We never found anything physically wrong (we did blood and ultra sound), and she was lovely to ride during that phase, so we just learnt to deal with it. She was also odd in that she came into heat year round, and even when pregnant (she had two foals). She was also the only horse I have known that could pee and trot.

          My new mare, has different, but also possibly seemingly neurological issues when in heat, but in her case, her issues came with her seeming concerned. I am getting her checked by a repo specialist tomorrow.
          Did you have her on anything for it? I'm wondering if I should try mine on regumate instead of the depo.
          Hope all goes well with your mare today!

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          • #6
            I would have her ultrasounded to make sure she doesn't have a tumor-- they can present that way.

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            • #7
              We tried marbling my old mare, but it didn't work. I just learned to live with it as she wasn't dangerous.

              New mare was ultrasounded today, and we didn't find anything seriously wrong, but she had double ovulated, which the vet says can be very painful for some mares. I am trying Regumate for 30 days, and if that works, I will have her ovaries removed (as in hindsight, she has had issues with the other two times she came into heat since I had her...this was just the worst). Apparently removing the ovaries isn't that complicated/risky.
              Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                Ultrasound her while she is in heat.

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                  Originally posted by Thoro View Post

                  Did you have her on anything for it? I'm wondering if I should try mine on regumate instead of the depo.
                  Hope all goes well with your mare today!
                  I have a mare with a lot of physical issues when she is cycling, especially in the spring and fall (she is still young...I'm hoping it gets better with age). Regumate makes a huge difference for her and scientifically Regumate is more likely to be effective in suppressing heat cycles compared to Depo. That said, Depo is more convenient to use (if you are OK giving injections) and I do have friends who have used it with success for their mares with cycling issues.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Thoro View Post

                    She had blood checked for hormone levels - we thought she might have a granulosa cell tumor - all normal.
                    Originally posted by joiedevie99 View Post
                    Ultrasound her while she is in heat.
                    I absolutely agree that a thorough exam must include at least an ultrasound. It would be ideal to get it done twice - midway between heats, and while in heat, so you have a normal to compare to. Hormone levels are not all there is to this issue.

                    I would also consider having a good massage therapist out while she's in heat just to get a feel (literally) for what she is feeling in her body. Leaning into you when you touch her tells me she may be sore and tight and really wants some relief. Muscle tension can manifest as a bit neuroligical since they can't really use their bodies like they'd like.
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                      I asked the vet about ultrasounding her, but he didn't feel it was necessary. I'll ask him again, since the depo isn't doing anything he might be open to it now.
                      She is very tight and grouchy when not in heat, so it is quite possible she has muscle soreness. She's had Chiro work but not massage or myofascial release work yet. I'll set an appointment for her. At this point I've dumped so much money into her other issues and vet work that body work/alternative therapies seem really inexpensive, so it can't hurt.

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                        IMO leaning into you while in heat is not unusual behavior. That is what a mare will do when being naturally covered. The stallion will bite at the mare's hind end to check to see if she will kick or not after having a talk with her at the head to see if she is receptive and in heat. That locking down is how the mare stabilizes when being naturally covered. Some mares are just way more flamboyant with their heat cycles than others. There would not happen to be a stallion on the farm? Mares will show much stronger heat cycles with a stallion on the premise, though some are just hussies Regumate would go a long way to helping your mare calm her cycles, that or breeding her.

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                          Originally posted by Thoro View Post
                          She is very tight and grouchy when not in heat, so it is quite possible she has muscle soreness.
                          Even a mildy "not invisible" heat could really magnify existing issues. I would definitely be looking at Vit E and selenium blood tests, and if those come back normal, add 10-15gm magnesium and see what happens. PSSM testing might be warranted too. Those 3 tests would give you faster information than Mg supplementation.

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                            Originally posted by JB View Post

                            Even a mildy "not invisible" heat could really magnify existing issues. I would definitely be looking at Vit E and selenium blood tests, and if those come back normal, add 10-15gm magnesium and see what happens. PSSM testing might be warranted too. Those 3 tests would give you faster information than Mg supplementation.
                            She was tested and is normal for all 3. I supplemented magnesium and vitamin E anyway, but no change.

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                              Originally posted by khall View Post
                              IMO leaning into you while in heat is not unusual behavior. That is what a mare will do when being naturally covered. The stallion will bite at the mare's hind end to check to see if she will kick or not after having a talk with her at the head to see if she is receptive and in heat. That locking down is how the mare stabilizes when being naturally covered. Some mares are just way more flamboyant with their heat cycles than others. There would not happen to be a stallion on the farm? Mares will show much stronger heat cycles with a stallion on the premise, though some are just hussies Regumate would go a long way to helping your mare calm her cycles, that or breeding her.
                              Maybe it isn't so abnormal then...i just don't like that she will fall over on people! I had geldings until I got her (and leased mares who acted like geldings) so I'm not super familiar with mare behavior. No stallions, but there is a gelding who acts studdish on the property, though he seems interested in the other mare more than her. Breeding is not going to happen lol so regumate would be her other option.

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