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  • shayaalliard
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    I use a net that fits a full square bale.- that way I only had to refill every 3-4 days- barn fed their hay as normal loose.

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  • stryder
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    You can also control the amount of hay he can get from the net you hang by the size of the holes. My mare has hay 24/7. In the winter, when we want/need her to eat more, we use a net with 3" holes. By summer, when she's on the verge of plumpness, she's working on 1.5" holes.

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  • starhorse
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    cudsy, you have a PM.

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  • SuzieQNutter
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    When given a round bale they usually eat at all the time for 3 times. After that not so much.

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  • cudsy
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    Originally posted by luvmyhackney View Post

    Hang up the bags yourself. I've done it where I put an entire bale of hay in 3 separate slow feed bags and hung them/ or kept them in my car , then BO provided what they were going to provide in a different color net. I would collect my empty bags when I was out and refill them myself. No storage needed other than the space I was already paying for and no extra effort to BO or workers.
    For clarification, do you mean you hung three nets at once with your bale of hay? (and staff hung a separate one, or threw their own hay). Or do you mean you did it one at a time and kept extra in your car and replaced it once a day?

    My concern would be that I can't guarantee with my schedule that I can always go out at a specific time (which is why I'm willing to pay to drop my extra hay at night) and he is a hay hoover so he might chow down on the hay if I hung it too early and still have nothing by nighttime, even with the slow feed, which is what I'm trying to prevent. I can see providing a bale at a time that it would last longer if that's what you mean, especially after he adjusted to having the hay all the time and not scarfing it.... maybe (he is a pig, haha).

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  • SuzieQNutter
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    Yes great solution.

    I think that if they are feeding what advertised they should charged as advertised. If they are not feeding as advertised the charge should be less.

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  • OneTwoMany
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    Originally posted by luvmyhackney View Post
    Hang up the bags yourself. I've done it where I put an entire bale of hay in 3 separate slow feed bags and hung them/ or kept them in my car , then BO provided what they were going to provide in a different color net. I would collect my empty bags when I was out and refill them myself. No storage needed other than the space I was already paying for and no extra effort to BO or workers.
    Great solution. Horse doesn't go for hours without forage. Barn staff is not inconvenienced.

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  • luvmyhackney
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    Originally posted by cudsy View Post
    Thanks for the help and advice everyone. I think I just got ahead of myself with the grain because although it is not the worst by any means, it isn't the same balanced plan as the grain with balancer from before (and that's still being advertised as the barns choice) and it was the only change I could really find. I'll just look into supplementing it with a balancer or vitamin supplement myself to make up for the missing balancer. Unless, since they are still providing the balancer to other horses, would it be something I could ask about getting put back on with the generic grain (after asking their reasoning for taking him off etc of course)? Or should I just not rock the boat and if I want it and they didn't give it to my horse, provide it myself?

    He's about 1000 lbs and an average to easy keeper. He definitely doesn't care if he is missing his exercise time, as long as he gets out and when they keep him in I get him out to at least stretch his legs for a while even if I don't ride. He's not one to be anxious or stressed out either.
    I haven't weighted the grain for an exact amount but it's definitely not the full serving, I try not to micro-manage and let them do what they think is best for their way of running the facility as long as he stays in good shape, as much as my posting seems to say otherwise, haha.

    $100 is astronomical for getting one flake of hay a night for a month in this area (and would push their board price firmly into the top cost for the area, not including pure show barns), which is why I'm hoping they will let me pay a smaller fee for them to drop a flake of hay I provide, at least for the winter while they are coming in earlier and without grass. They won't hang a hay net a night, I'm lucky they are actually using the net for pm hay now so I wouldn't want to push it (and its not the filling its the hanging, even with provided quick snap up, so providing filled bags won't do it, it messes up their work flow and takes extra time, I understand) but getting another flake tossed at nightcheck should be a help. I can get a 60# alfalfa bale for 11$ which is more expensive than the grass or timothy hays around here but I'm leaning towards it if they will let me store a bale at a time in their hay room.
    Hang up the bags yourself. I've done it where I put an entire bale of hay in 3 separate slow feed bags and hung them/ or kept them in my car , then BO provided what they were going to provide in a different color net. I would collect my empty bags when I was out and refill them myself. No storage needed other than the space I was already paying for and no extra effort to BO or workers.

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  • staceyk
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    From the standpoint of "making the ask" -- instead of asking why your horse was switched -- those "why" questions could start a defensive reaction -- just request that he/she be put back on the grain was was getting previously. If there are questions, I would bring put the veterinary visit/health change and the need to put things back the way they were. You should not need to make a case, and if the BM resists you will find out why it happened anyway.

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  • cudsy
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    Thanks for the help and advice everyone. I think I just got ahead of myself with the grain because although it is not the worst by any means, it isn't the same balanced plan as the grain with balancer from before (and that's still being advertised as the barns choice) and it was the only change I could really find. I'll just look into supplementing it with a balancer or vitamin supplement myself to make up for the missing balancer. Unless, since they are still providing the balancer to other horses, would it be something I could ask about getting put back on with the generic grain (after asking their reasoning for taking him off etc of course)? Or should I just not rock the boat and if I want it and they didn't give it to my horse, provide it myself?

    He's about 1000 lbs and an average to easy keeper. He definitely doesn't care if he is missing his exercise time, as long as he gets out and when they keep him in I get him out to at least stretch his legs for a while even if I don't ride. He's not one to be anxious or stressed out either.
    I haven't weighted the grain for an exact amount but it's definitely not the full serving, I try not to micro-manage and let them do what they think is best for their way of running the facility as long as he stays in good shape, as much as my posting seems to say otherwise, haha.

    $100 is astronomical for getting one flake of hay a night for a month in this area (and would push their board price firmly into the top cost for the area, not including pure show barns), which is why I'm hoping they will let me pay a smaller fee for them to drop a flake of hay I provide, at least for the winter while they are coming in earlier and without grass. They won't hang a hay net a night, I'm lucky they are actually using the net for pm hay now so I wouldn't want to push it (and its not the filling its the hanging, even with provided quick snap up, so providing filled bags won't do it, it messes up their work flow and takes extra time, I understand) but getting another flake tossed at nightcheck should be a help. I can get a 60# alfalfa bale for 11$ which is more expensive than the grass or timothy hays around here but I'm leaning towards it if they will let me store a bale at a time in their hay room.

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  • Scribbler
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    IME a true cup (250 ml) is not a pound of pellets or grain. IME 3 true cups, which is equal to a tall yogurt container, is a pound.

    I don't know of course what kind of cup the barn uses. My coffee mugs for instance are all at least 375 ml because 250 ml is way too small!

    Anyhow I cannot imagine feeding my horse 5 to 10 yoghurt containers of hard feed every day! She is a very easy keeper. So she gets a vitamin mineral supplement in a small mash.

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  • Posting Trot
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    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
    $100 for the extra night check flake sounds like pricing put into place to provide a service that they do not want to provide but people asked for.
    That would be my guess as well.

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  • trubandloki
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    $100 for the extra night check flake sounds like pricing put into place to provide a service that they do not want to provide but people asked for.

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  • Angela Freda
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    $100 does seem steep. Second cut square bales here are about $8, or about a third of a bale each night for $100 a month. A third of a bale isn't an outrageous amount to tide a horse over from say 6 pm to 6 am

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  • Posting Trot
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    From the label it says that the (new) feed should be fed at a rate of .5 lbs to 1 lb per day of feed per 100 lbs. of bodyweight.

    So, let's assume that your horse weighs1000 lbs (and presumably you have some ballpark figure on the horse's weight), that means that the horse should be getting between 5 and 10 lbs of feed per day for the feed to meet the nutritional requirements for the horse, plus about 15 to 20 lbs of hay per day (or the equivalent in pasture/grass).

    Is that what the horse is getting?

    Since he's getting 5 cups twice a day, it would be worth it to weigh the feed just to double-check that 10 cups (total) per day does equal five pounds.

    But if the feed amount is proper, then the real issue is probably the hay and not having it overnight.

    Would the extra $100 just be the payment for the night-check hay (i.e. they expect a horse will be eating $100 extra of hay if fed during the night-check)? That seems steep to me. Would you be able to supply a hay net and have an extra couple of flakes stuffed in there for overnight for a smaller dollar amount?

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  • stryder
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    I'd also look at the amount of work the horse is getting. You mentioned less now than previously. My mare likes to work, and gets stressed when she doesn't, for one reason or another.

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  • lorilu
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    Originally posted by Amy3996 View Post
    I feed both the Tribute Kalm Ultra and the Essential K. The feeding rate for the Ultra is minimum 4lbs per day, and the EK is meant to be fed at least 1lb per day. The Ultra is about a lb per quart. I feed 2 quarts AM/PM, and split a quart (1lb) of the EK between two feedings. I can't speak for the specs of the new feed, but unless the 3 cups of Ultra and 2 cups of EK are *per feeding* instead of *per day*, that's just not enough to be reaping the benefits of the feed.

    I ran into the same problem with my horse... I cringed at the idea of feeding what I had been told was "so much grain", but what was really just the proper amount to get the nutritional benefits of the grain. Whatever grain you choose, make sure you're feeding it to the minimum on the bag.
    Unless you feed an equalizer. My guy is a very easy keeper - he gets about two cups of Seminole Wellness 2x/day, but ALSO gets the equalizer - it's meant to provide the nutrients missing from short grain rations.

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  • luvmyhackney
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    What you typed out is not a terrible feed by any means. Could you add your own slow feed hay bag with your own hay and you handle hanging it and keeping it filled.

    Is your horse holding its weight? Looks good? Eating well?

    2 C. of essential K is right over 1/2 lb. if I remember correctly.

    I would ask to continue the essential K and top dress with the new feed myself.

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  • cudsy
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    I'm aware that the hours at night without hay is not ideal but unfortunately I cannot afford the $100 extra a month it cost to get a nightcheck flake at this time. Hopefully in the near future I'll be in a better situation. I'm currently looking into whether I can provide my own extra hay for a lower cost to feed it at nightcheck. There isn't a local boarding farm offering 24-7 hay in my area right now or that I could add to that would simulate it so moving him will not necessarily get him in any better situation. This place is one of the better barns in the area, and its mid-high cost for area reflects it. As I said, he's otherwise been fine previously and I've provided a smaller hole hay net that they are willing to use to try to get the hay to last longer for now.

    He was getting the 2 cups essential k, 3 cups kalm ultra 2 x a day, and now 5 cups generic twice a day, sorry I forgot to mention that distinction. I don't mind switching grains, as long as it is comparable nutritionally. I looked to the tag because I know that name doesn't mean nutrients.

    I've typed out the label on the bag, hopefully I didn't skip any spelling errors too badly. I don't claim to be a nutritional expert by far.

    Crude Protein (Min): 13%
    Lysine (Min): .60%
    Crude Fat (Min): 8%
    Crude Fiber (Max): 15%
    Calcium (Min): .75%
    Calcium (Max): 1.25%
    Phosphorus (Min): .50%
    Selenium (Min): .60 ppm
    Zinc (Min): 120 ppm
    Vitamin A (Min): 7,000 IU/lb
    Vit D (Min): 400 IU/lb
    Vit E (Min) 100 IU/lb

    Ingredients:
    Wheat Middlings, Soybean Hulls, Alfalfa Meal, Corn Distillers Grains with Solubles, Soybean Oil, Calcium Carbonate, Soybean Meal, Rice Bran, Flaxseed, Salt, Dried Saccharomyces cersvisae fermentation solubles, microencapsulated dry active saccharomyces cerevisaiae, vitamin e supplement, zinc sulfate, since proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, biotin, manganese amino acid supplement, cobalt amino acid complex, selenium yeast, copper sulfate, mineral oil, copper amino acid complex, choline chloride, vitamin C, niacin, sodium selenite, riboflavin, thiamine, vitamin A supplement, vitamin d3 supplement, pyridoxine hcl, pantothenic acid, vit b12, beta-carotene, menadione, sodium bisulfate complex, ethylenediamine dihydroiodide, cobalt sulfate, folic acid, lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, lactobacillus casei fermentation product, magnesium oxide

    feeding directions: feed pellets at a rate of .5-1 lb per 100 lbs bodyweight per day

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  • WildLittleWren
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    The best thing for my mare during and following ulcer treatment (and is ongoing) is good quality forage available 24/7. I feed a mix of alfalfa and grass hay in her stall and she gets overnight grazing on good pasture. If grass isn't available, he needs hay in front of him at all times. As a side note, I feed the Kalm Ultra, my picky eater loves it and they all look great on it!

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