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  • Feeding the young warmblood

    My last young horse is now 9 so it's been a little while since I've looked into grains and/or RB for yearlings.
    My mom and I went in on a nice weanling last fall and opted to leave her at the breeders with some other babies her own age before she comes home at the end of March.
    We trust the breeder so we've only seen her a handful of times since October as it's a 4 hour drive. She's always looked in good shape and has decent manners for a baby so not to concerned as far as that goes. I believe they get their local feed mill to do all of their feed.
    We can either get feed from our local mill (not to keen on this), or can pick up some name brand stuff for her.

    When she gets home she'll be getting unlimited ok quality locally grown hay. Once summer comes she'll be out on 15 acres of grass which doesn't get super lush.
    Our older guys just get a vit/min supplement or the minimum amount of Tribute Essential K as they're easy keepers.

    The nearest feed store with name brand feeds offers
    Tribute, Purina, Buckeye, Masterfeeds, and Brooks.
    From these brands what does everyone like for their babies?
    I'm guessing she may need an actual "grain" or concentrate in the spring/fall/winter, and can switch to a RB in the summer when she's getting grass. Also, any tips for feeding babies? Other then protein requirements and low starch?
    I'm hoping to head up there for a visit on Sunday so I can get a better idea of her condition and what she's currently eating.

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    I would absolutely use at least a ration balancer. Their nutrient requirements are high, relative to their size, and hay alone doesn't do it, especially if it's just ok quality.

    Any RB will do,but IMHO, while Tribute is a nice enough one (Essential K), it's overall nutrient content is lower than many others, including Purina and Buckeye. I don't know enough about the options with Masterfeeds or Brooks.

    Whether she ever needs more than a RB will depend on her calorie requirements. As a coming yearling, you'd be looking at about 3lb of a given RB anyway, so the calories are not insignificant. The amount will start dropping as she gets to be 18 months, then 2 years, and older, as her nutrient requirements will reduce.

    Personally, I prefer using RBs as the base for growing horses, assuming they are an individual who doesn't need significant calories beyond forage. This allows you to always use a cup or so of alfalfa pellet, and then quickly increase and decrease those pellets as any given growth spurt makes them either a bit too lean, or a bit too heavy. Just don't decrease the RB if at all possible, since no matter their weight, they still need high nutrition. It's ok for a growing one to be a little heavy for a short period during growth years - that typically means they are getting ready to sprout again and need the energy.
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      Thanks @JB
      As far as Purina and Buckeye, specifically which RB do you prefer? I'm just curious if
      a) if the feed store always has them on the shelf, or if they'd have to order them in
      b) Purina Canada vs USA has very different names for the feeds so I'd have to figure out if there is an equal.

      I have fed Buckeye Gro 'n Win before and had no issue with it. There was just a period where Tribute was the easiest for us to get so we switched and stuck with it since our guys look good. Other then the Essential K having a slightly lower protein % the remainder of the guaranteed analysis is very similar, and the feeding rate is very similar. Unless I'm missing something.

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      • #4
        Ask the breeder what they suggest and are currently feeding to get an idea of what the young warmblood will need. Start from there.
        "Anyone who tries to make brownies without butter should be arrested." Ina Garten

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          Originally posted by luvmyhackney View Post
          Ask the breeder what they suggest and are currently feeding to get an idea of what the young warmblood will need. Start from there.
          Yes I plan on doing that. However, there are some major difference between the breeders facility and ours.
          The breeder has their feed locally milled, if it's anything like the one by our place they only tell you crude protein, etc. They don't give any numbers on trace vitamins and minerals. I assume it's high fat/high fiber, with protein suitable for growing horses. I'll have to find out if either the mill or the breeder supplements other ingredients or not.
          The breeders facility has more horses then land and thus feeds "grain" and hay. We have access to enough grass to support several mature horses and young steers calorically speaking from the end of April - Oct/Nov. I would be much more likely to feed a RB then she would.

          This is why I'm asking if anyone has any personal preferences and why.
          As a background I did take several equine nutrition classes years ago during University (taught by professors from the Veterinary college), have worked as a BM in several barns, and have bought and raised a couple weanlings in the past. I'm just asking as it's been several years since I had to worry about feed for a baby and many of the brands have changed since then.

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          • #6
            I feed my developing youngster tested low sugar timothy hay, a little alfalfa and vitamin supplement. She's looking great and has periods when she goes through a spurt that she looks a little gangly but it is literally a week and she's back to where I would like to see her. I'm in Canada too, but on the coast and I feed Proform/Hi Pro Step 7. She also gets flax. In the summer she is turned out and I just reduce the forage a little depending on the richness and quantity of pasture.

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            • #7
              Why not ask the breeder to get a list of what exactly the mill is putting in their feed and try to find the best match?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GoodTimes View Post
                Thanks @JB
                As far as Purina and Buckeye, specifically which RB do you prefer? I'm just curious if
                a) if the feed store always has them on the shelf, or if they'd have to order them in
                b) Purina Canada vs USA has very different names for the feeds so I'd have to figure out if there is an equal.
                I'd choose Buckeye Grow 'N Win over Purina Enrich if I had to choose, but tbh is the Purina is cheaper, that's fine

                Without comparing the 2 again, I *think* the US and CN varieties are similar enough it doesn't make a difference.

                I have fed Buckeye Gro 'n Win before and had no issue with it. There was just a period where Tribute was the easiest for us to get so we switched and stuck with it since our guys look good. Other then the Essential K having a slightly lower protein % the remainder of the guaranteed analysis is very similar, and the feeding rate is very similar. Unless I'm missing something.
                Most of the nutrients are lower with Essential K than most other RBs Not a big deal if your hay is high quality, but since most isn't high enough, it matters. I have fed EK, and just fed about 50% more to make up for the differences, then decided it was just easier to feed TC 30 at the recommended weight, for pretty much the same cost.

                Originally posted by candyappy View Post
                Why not ask the breeder to get a list of what exactly the mill is putting in their feed and try to find the best match?
                Not a terrible thing to do, but knowledge is power - many breeders don't feed in ways best suited for young horses. It may "work" for a while, but if they fed that way long-term, DOD issues can arise. I'd just as soon learn what's best, and feed that way, regardless of whether that's more or less the same, or very different from how they were fed.
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                  Originally posted by JB View Post
                  I'd choose Buckeye Grow 'N Win over Purina Enrich if I had to choose, but tbh is the Purina is cheaper, that's fine

                  Without comparing the 2 again, I *think* the US and CN varieties are similar enough it doesn't make a difference.


                  Most of the nutrients are lower with Essential K than most other RBs Not a big deal if your hay is high quality, but since most isn't high enough, it matters. I have fed EK, and just fed about 50% more to make up for the differences, then decided it was just easier to feed TC 30 at the recommended weight, for pretty much the same cost.


                  Not a terrible thing to do, but knowledge is power - many breeders don't feed in ways best suited for young horses. It may "work" for a while, but if they fed that way long-term, DOD issues can arise. I'd just as soon learn what's best, and feed that way, regardless of whether that's more or less the same, or very different from how they were fed.
                  Thanks. I don't see Purina Enrich on the CND website so I'll have to spend some time going over their products, I haven't fed Purina in over 10 years.
                  Triple Crown isn't available in Canada as far as I've seen so TC 30 isn't an option.

                  And thank you JB. I'd prefer to just use a quality product that I know will be the same from bag to bag, at nutrient levels that are proven to be safe and effective for young stock. I don't know of any DOD issues in horses that this breeder has bred, but there are always genetic factors there as well. I trust this breeder, but you're right, knowledge is power, and I'd prefer to have a starting point of "this is what educated nutritionists have deemed as correct levels for yearlings" vs "this is what a breeder and a local mill have concocted, they may or may not be able to tell me where their ingredients are sourced, and may or may not know the levels of trace minerals and vitamins".

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                    I think Purina has Equalizer (Equilizer?) up in CN
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                      In case any other Canadians are curious.
                      Purina's Equalizer is classified as a RB and is recommended to be fed in amounts comparable to other RB. However it is significantly lower in protein. It seems to be targeted to pasture horses and retirees.
                      They have another RB called Optimal which is very close in content to Gro'n Win and Essential K, with similar feeding rates. This one would be for easy keepers in work and younger horses.
                      Both are under the Equilibrium line.

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                      • #12
                        I forgot about the Optimal. Yes, that is the one for using with grass-based diets. The Equilizer is great for alfalfa-based diets.

                        There aren't many brands in the US now which make a balancer for each type of diet. Most of them used to, and most of them dropped the 10/12% protein balancers designed for all/mostly alfalfa diets. LMF and McCauley's are 2 of the few left who still have both.
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