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Crosspost: Grassroots Survey - Please Take!

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  • Crosspost: Grassroots Survey - Please Take!

    Good Morning,

    Though this hit the hunter/jumper world more predominately, some of you may remember the controversial interview Katie Prudent gave this past summer and the overwhelming response it generated - including the open letter I wrote to her that the Chronicle published online.

    As a result of the reaction to her interview and to my letter, I and a group of grassroots riders have been figuring out ways we can help solve or alleviate the many issues plaguing the sport that came to light in that discussion.

    (For those not familiar with the interview, see http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...-katie-prudent for a transcript of Katie's letter and http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...-katie-prudent for my response)

    I and a group of grassroots members are interested in creating an organization that will exist solely for the purpose of developing, supporting and advocating for the grassroots.

    While many problems that were discussed following Katie's interview pertain to the hunter/jumper world, we know that similar issues exist or are cropping up in eventing as well, and we want to be an organization that advocates for ALL the grassroots - not just the hunter/jumper world.

    You can help us in this goal by completing this survey so that we can better gauge some information about the grassroots and things the grassroots wants and needs.

    So please, if you have a few minutes, take this survey!

    https://goo.gl/forms/vZhXQttqGP7lDThE3

    Feel free to post on this thread with additional thoughts, ideas and feedback.

    Thank you!

    Jennifer Baas
    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. (Aristotle)

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    Katie Prudent and I are the same age -- we were both (using her words) lucky to get into it [horses and showing] at an age when you could enjoy everything about the horse and not be spoiled. The jumps were 3'6" -- there was no low children’s jumper, children’s jumper, modified children’s jumper, low junior jumper.

    In our day you learned to jump big, and the horses I was riding were not already 'made'. They were scary green -- and you either got over your fear and learned how to ride them and 'make' them yourself....or you quit.

    But even back then there were kids and parents who thought "horses should just do it for them [in the show ring] because they paid a lot of money." The only difference between then and now is that the jumps were bigger.

    But no matter where you fall on the talent, 'earned it' or 'what you can afford' scale, isn't enjoyment the whole point of doing anything with a horse? IMO enjoyment shouldn't be measured purely by the amount of dedication a rider has nor should it be measured by the venue -- the 'show' itself and what it has become good or bad.

    I'm sure I would have loved showing a made, expensive horse back in the day. On the other hand, I'm not so sure a rider who needs to go get her nails done (and all that that implies) would love showing one of those scary greenies I had to ride. But isn't it all relative though? Isn't it all personal -- this enjoyment factor?

    Doesn't it all depend on how you see yourself -- or -- on what kind of person you don't mind being or are satisfied with being: the dilettante, the rider who puts in the time, the rider who puts in the time but never makes it to the big leagues....or the talented rider, the natural who hasn't any 'show' money and is never seen by anyone.





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      Hey....I get my nails done. Otherwise they break too much and the dirt under them is too visible. Coming for a rider who also grew up riding green and rank. And now that I could afford made....since I left the horse world to make $$ in corporate America. I still prefer green and rank. About to swing my leg over baby OTTB who is fresh off the track because I enjoy the project.

      That said....I actually understand both sides. I took the survey and not sure it translates to eventing as well. And while I certainly identify more grassroots...my biggest issue is that everyone wants it all done for them. Few are willing to do the work. I don’t see a new organization as the answer to most of the issues people have voiced.
      ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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        Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
        That said....I actually understand both sides. I took the survey and not sure it translates to eventing as well. And while I certainly identify more grassroots...my biggest issue is that everyone wants it all done for them. Few are willing to do the work. I don’t see a new organization as the answer to most of the issues people have voiced.
        I agree that the survey does not translate to eventing well, where in a given area you will pay 1 average price for ANY USEA one-day event. There is no A circuit thank the lord. Then you pay 1 average price for any unrec. Two options. Of course stabling costs more in areas where people and events are spread, but still less than the HJ world. I do agree that American horse sports are weak on an international scale, but I also respect that if you are an ammy paying your own bills, in it for fun, you should do whatever level you damn well please.

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          Wouldn't it make more sense to focus efforts on helping the local organizations? I mean, schooling/local/unrecognized competitions is the real "grassroots" of horse showing.

          I don't really understand the goal of this group. If it's to make horse showing more affordable/accessible for riders, improve the local/regional levels and organizations, don't waste time on the USEF/national level BS. I don't see the point in creating another organization in a sport that has far too many already (USEF, FEI, USEA, PRO, etc) and more fees.

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            Originally posted by lucegoose View Post
            Wouldn't it make more sense to focus efforts on helping the local organizations? I mean, schooling/local/unrecognized competitions is the real "grassroots" of horse showing.

            I don't really understand the goal of this group. If it's to make horse showing more affordable/accessible for riders, improve the local/regional levels and organizations, don't waste time on the USEF/national level BS. I don't see the point in creating another organization in a sport that has far too many already (USEF, FEI, USEA, PRO, etc) and more fees.
            This is exactly how I answered the survey. We already have grassroots organizations -- at the grassroots level.

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              Originally posted by Snowdenfarm View Post
              This is exactly how I answered the survey. We already have grassroots organizations -- at the grassroots level.
              A lot of eventing, even at the highest levels, feels like what I'd call "grassroots". It's a sport where the dedicated amateur can realistically haul in a single horse and a friend to help and do well, and I really like that. (Hunterland did feel like that to me once, but it was a long time ago.)

              From what I've seen of the A circuit that's not happening. Without a trainer mediating your experience, you'll wait forever to ride, get steamrolled in warmup, and quite possibly less love from some judges. When I see aspects of that creeping into eventing it makes me sad.

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                Originally posted by lucegoose View Post

                I don't really understand the goal of this group. If it's to make horse showing more affordable/accessible for riders, improve the local/regional levels and organizations, don't waste time on the USEF/national level BS. I don't see the point in creating another organization in a sport that has far too many already (USEF, FEI, USEA, PRO, etc) and more fees.
                My comment as well. There really wasn't any clear explanation as to why this group is needed and what it's goals should be. I did read the two opinion pieces that started this, but I don't remember that much about them, except that I thought a lot of people took the first piece the wrong way. There was a lot of pearl-clutching (or whatever the "grassroots" equivalent would be).

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                • #9
                  Grassroots... these organizations exist. We have Pony Club and Horse Masters. There are a myriad number of local organizations who need support. I agree there is a problem with getting dressage groups and combined training groups and hunter jumper groups together making a calendar that works for Young Horses. But I'd sure rather see you spend your time helping an existing organization be better or rather than try to start a new one.

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                    ^Exactly, I support the grassroots by supporting Pony Club and my local eventing org (Maryland Combined Training Association). Both allow for exciting competition opportunities beyond the big, expensive AECs, great educational options and exciting year end prizes.

                    Maybe before reinventing the wheel you should ask your local horse show association what they could accomplish for you, the grassroots ammy, with a little more support.

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