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  • Call Me Clifton for sale?

    Anyone know why he is for sale? Is Donna no longer riding him?

  • #2
    Not sure..... but according to his USEA record for 2007 his last event was a ** in August. He also has an owner that isn't the rider so maybe the owner wants to sell him??



    Originally posted by TexasTB View Post
    Anyone know why he is for sale? Is Donna no longer riding him?
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      The owner is Frances Stead, who runs Clifton Eventers over in New Zealand (www.eventers.co.nz). They make a business off of producing upper level potential horses, so Call Me Clifton has been somewhat of a poster child for them (and rightfully so!), which is why I'm surprised by their decision to sell him.

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      • #4
        you might have just answered your own question

        it's a business

        he's a four star horse and he ain't getting any younger..
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        • #5
          Hey All -- I was a working student for Donna and got to work around webbie quite a bit.

          This year, Donna didnt have a lot of success with him at Advanced and feels that he would be happier as a 2 star horse or something like that.

          Donna is very good at feeling what is right for a horse at the right time. I know she loves webs dearly, but knows he would be happier at a lower level.

          Boy, if I had the money....

          Edited to add: Which website was he posted for sale on??
          Last edited by Shrapnel; Dec. 21, 2007, 08:06 PM.
          "Fifteen minutes of excellent work is better than an hour and a half of wandering aimlessly around." -Col. Bengt Ljundquist

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            #6
            Thanks Shrapnel

            Good for her to recognize that her horse wasnt happy and make the tough decision to move him back. They were fun to watch though

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            • #7
              Originally posted by yellow rose View Post
              you might have just answered your own question

              it's a business

              he's a four star horse and he ain't getting any younger..

              he's not that old is he? he was going advanced when he was 7...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by InVA View Post
                he's not that old is he? he was going advanced when he was 7...
                And probably why he doesn't want to "play four star" at 12.

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                • #9
                  Ouch, Snoop.
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                  • #10
                    I agree, Snoopy. I understand the pressures on riders by owners and sponsors and the eventing community in general to push horses younger and younger. That doesn't mean I agree with it.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pwynnnorman View Post
                      Ouch, Snoop.

                      That comment was not made to anyone in particular but rather my distain for horses getting to ADV at such an early age....it is hard work and it does not surprise me that thay do not want to "play" during what should be their "peak years". This was discussed already on another thread regarding this very issue.
                      So my appologies to anyone offended by my remark...it was more about the culture.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by snoopy View Post
                        That comment was not made to anyone in particular but rather my distain for horses getting to ADV at such an early age....it is hard work and it does not surprise me that thay do not want to "play" during what should be their "peak years". This was discussed already on another thread regarding this very issue.
                        So my appologies to anyone offended by my remark...it was more about the culture.

                        I agree as well. I think Donna is a lovely rider and a very nice person....but I do not understand the culture of pushing young horses to Adv. at 7 or even 8. Even if it is easy for them. I don't think that they need to be pounded on forever at Novice and training....but there is also no need to be at those levels so young. Let them hang out at Prelim....do a few more dressage and jumper shows....and let their bodies (and minds) finish maturing and get stronger to handle the stress. I also do not see any reason for 5 year olds to be running Prelim. I'm all for backing young horses and taking them out and about but there is no need to be running Prelim at 5 or even a CCI* at 6.....and yet now, if you don't, people think your horse doesn't have International talent. Not a good culture.
                        ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                        • #13
                          Oh, I know what you meant. I actually appreciated your bluntness (and agree, although I, too, don't mean that as a disparagement of anyone--market forces and all that make it a tough decision sometimes, I'm sure).
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                            I agree as well. I think Donna is a lovely rider and a very nice person....but I do not understand the culture of pushing young horses to Adv. at 7 or even 8. Even if it is easy for them. I don't think that they need to be pounded on forever at Novice and training....but there is also no need to be at those levels so young. Let them hang out at Prelim....do a few more dressage and jumper shows....and let their bodies (and minds) finish maturing and get stronger to handle the stress. I also do not see any reason for 5 year olds to be running Prelim. I'm all for backing young horses and taking them out and about but there is no need to be running Prelim at 5 or even a CCI* at 6.....and yet now, if you don't, people think your horse doesn't have International talent. Not a good culture.
                            I believe that all horses should be treated as individuals. I have a 5 year old mare running Prelim. I try my best to take care of her (monthly adequan, aquatred, adequate vacations, etc.) But, she LOVES her job. When she in on these vacations for longer than 2 weeks she starts acting pissy and hateful and obviously wants to get back to work. That being said, she could probably move up this spring, but I am doing to do more Prelims and CIC's with her for experience and probably will not move her up until late 08 (if then). I don't run her that much and I am hoping she will last a long time. But, I'd be pretty mad at myself if I didn't let her reach her full potential.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pwynnnorman View Post
                              market forces and all that make it a tough decision sometimes, I'm sure
                              Which sucks. I always thought you were on the fast track going advanced at 10 and **** at 12, then competing there until 18 or so. I was obviously delusional. And it does explain why I had so much trouble finding a buyer for an 18 year old training packer that I leased her out instead.

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                              • #16
                                [QUOTE=eqsiu;2881276]Which sucks. I always thought you were on the fast track going advanced at 10 and **** at 12, then competing there until 18 or so. I was obviously delusional.QUOTE]



                                No, just living in a long gone era!!!

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                                • #17
                                  They can love their job without going advanced at age 7, can't they? I mean, the horse doesn't know what color flags are on the jumps.

                                  I find it absolutely mind-boggling that anyone can have the sheer talent to take a young horse up the levels that quickly and that there seem to be so many horses who do it "with ease", but you do have to wonder just how many "upper level years" any given horse has and whether the "rate of progression" has any impact on their durability in a mental sense, not to mention the physical.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by grzywinskia View Post
                                    I believe that all horses should be treated as individuals. I have a 5 year old mare running Prelim. I try my best to take care of her (monthly adequan, aquatred, adequate vacations, etc.) But, she LOVES her job. When she in on these vacations for longer than 2 weeks she starts acting pissy and hateful and obviously wants to get back to work. That being said, she could probably move up this spring, but I am doing to do more Prelims and CIC's with her for experience and probably will not move her up until late 08 (if then). I don't run her that much and I am hoping she will last a long time. But, I'd be pretty mad at myself if I didn't let her reach her full potential.

                                    I'm not saying that you don't let them reach their potential or not to keep them working.... Many horses don't do well without a job (hell my three year old needs a job or he starts hurting himself)....I just prefer to find them a job that is less pounding until they have matured more. Run training level, go to a hunter show, dressage show, do a hunter pace....keep them thinking but just make them wait a little longer before adding in the full pounding of eventing at the higher levels. That same horse will likely be just as competitive (if not more) at 6 or 7 for the wait....and the wait will not mean he will not make Adv.
                                    ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by grzywinskia View Post
                                      But, I'd be pretty mad at myself if I didn't let her reach her full potential.

                                      And THAT, ladies and gentleman, IS the culture we are living in these days.

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                                      • #20
                                        I am a true believer....

                                        of taking more time than you want to when it comes to moving up the levels. It is easy to think your ready to move up, but it is not easy to face all the different questions and terrain issues at 3 or 4 shows. I don't like to move up from training to prelim unless my horse is placing in the top 3 consistently, and has had ample experience at that level.

                                        I was told once that "If you can remember EVERY jump and EXACTLY what happened at every jump on the course, and you found it very easy, move up" - or something like that!
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