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  • For those who offer the (unsolicited) opinion that Richland could just stick with lower levels and meet entry quotas that way - you are missing the point. They wanted to offer a three star and add back an Intermediate division. They own the land, it's their competition, and that was their goal. Apparently, in their quest to make this goal happen, to the benefit of all NA eventing, instead they were dealt so much grief by USEA that they just said eff it - all of it. And yes, I know that USEF and FEI control international-level events. But it sounds like it was specifically USEA that stepped in it to such a degree that they just completely walked away from the sport.

    It is a real shame as Richland was one of North America's premier, showcase events. I have never been there but if I had the money and the horse at the ULs, it would have been on my radar for sure. Everybody LOVED it. Seemed like the type of event that USEA and USEF would have been supporting in all manners necessary. Instead, it's all holds barred for Tryon, which is (no matter what anybody here or anywhere else says) a H/J facility and a total affront to eventing (really to horses in general). I would really like to know who exactly at USEA did what to piss the Wilmarths off to the point that they have given the whole sport what sounds like the rightfully-deserved middle finger. I'd also like to know who it is at USEA that is so in love with Mark Bellissimo that they have given him the AEC two years in a row (not that I give two hoots about AEC but that's another discussion). And why oh why does anybody think eventing in Central Park is a good idea. Jesus. New leadership is imperative.

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    • I've sat in on dates meetings and when you have a room full of alpha organizers, it can be very exciting - and educational. Honestly, I have heard people talk reasonably and respectfully for hours trying to fit in everyone's wants and needs. Many, many times I've heard organizers give up concessions to other events in an effort to make sure the entire area had a logical schedule. Working together to solve dates problems is part of each Area's meetings and leaderships, and from the 4 different areas I attended over the years, leaders in eventing have the same goals and ideals from coast to coast. There is leadership, and there is logic and sound reasoning in the sport at these meetings. Attend one and see for yourself. There are now 6 pages of comments to this thread, with over 100 posts. If HALF of the posters on this thread attended an area meeting they would have enough members to make a difference, whatever difference they felt they would need to make. I urge you to go to a meeting.

      Isn't it better to find out now that the management of Richland was no longer interested in putting on horse trials and events, rather than have a CCI3* awarded to it and then have it back out in the middle of the season? That would really upend a lot of eventers and horses' schedules.
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      • Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
        I've sat in on dates meetings and when you have a room full of alpha organizers, it can be very exciting - and educational. Honestly, I have heard people talk reasonably and respectfully for hours trying to fit in everyone's wants and needs. Many, many times I've heard organizers give up concessions to other events in an effort to make sure the entire area had a logical schedule. Working together to solve dates problems is part of each Area's meetings and leaderships, and from the 4 different areas I attended over the years, leaders in eventing have the same goals and ideals from coast to coast. There is leadership, and there is logic and sound reasoning in the sport at these meetings. Attend one and see for yourself.
        Area 1 missed the memo on this (not laughing at you, laughing at us)
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        • retreadeventer, the whole point is that, because Richland was not awarded the CCI3*,nor the Intermediate, it backed out. It was never their intention to stop this event. If the USEA, USEF, PTB, Area8 interfering Officials, etc., had given what the middle of this country really needs to have, Richland would not have backed out. Period.

          As to the other part of your post, how do we find out when these meetings are held? Are they always open to the Smurf members, too? Do we have to attend the USEA convention to go to them? Thanks for your input. I would love to see what goes on behind the scenes in my Area, if I ever decide to give the USEA my money, again!
          Last edited by Auburn; Sep. 14, 2017, 10:06 AM.
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          • Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post

            Isn't it better to find out now that the management of Richland was no longer interested in putting on horse trials and events, rather than have a CCI3* awarded to it and then have it back out in the middle of the season? That would really upend a lot of eventers and horses' schedules.
            I agree with what else you said but this confuses me. I don't think that this applies to what transpired nor what may have happened later.

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            • Ohhh... you are inferring that Richland would have dropped the HT part of the competition and only run like a KY3Day former known as Rolex?

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              • Originally posted by babecakes View Post
                Ohhh... you are inferring that Richland would have dropped the HT part of the competition and only run like a KY3Day former known as Rolex?
                I really don't know what they would do. But I don't think there are CCI3*s that also run a HT below Preliminary or Intermediate.

                As far as their plan to stop running the HT: I am disappointed in this and will be further disappointed if they decide to continue not having their facility available for schooling and clinics. Michigan has a vibrant eventing community that could greatly benefit from using their grounds, whether for schooling or whatever. Maybe once the dust has settled, they will allow HT to return, perhaps with an outside organizer. That would greatly benefit the eventing community in the area.

                Such a loss.
                Last edited by Winding Down; Sep. 14, 2017, 12:37 PM.

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                • Originally posted by mg View Post

                  Area 1 missed the memo on this (not laughing at you, laughing at us)
                  Um, area 1 has one of the better processes for calendar setting, for the past several years the meetings have been snooze-fests because everyone gets along. What would you like to see from your area?

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                  • Originally posted by Auburn View Post
                    As to the other part of your post, how do we find out when these meetings are held? Are they always open to the Smurf members, too? Do we have to attend the USEA convention to go to them?
                    Each Area holds its own organizer's/calendar meeting, at least once a year. Email your Area Chair to find out where and when yours is.

                    They are usually open meetings, but it is expected that people who are not organizers will primarily be observers rather than active participants in the meeting.
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                    • Originally posted by Hilary View Post

                      Um, area 1 has one of the better processes for calendar setting, for the past several years the meetings have been snooze-fests because everyone gets along. What would you like to see from your area?
                      Everyone gets along because they just sit there and choose the same exact dates for each show every single year. The calendar is not actually productive for anyone looking to develop a horse beyond training level, but the powers that be don't seem to be interested in improving that. There's little to no logic behind why each event is scheduled when it is.
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                      • Both Rebecca and Galway run cci 3*'s in conjunction with lower level horse trials.
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                        • On an additional depressing note, I saw a post today that Richland Park has sold some of it's jumps to the organizer/ owner that runs the horse trials in Fresno, CA. They were already loaded on a flatbed truck. So, clearly, they are dismantling the course, and selling the portable jumps. Somehow I doubt that they plan to allow schooling or run a lower level horse trial on their property. It wasn't their MO before, I don't expect it will be now. It's just too bad because (as others have said) we have lost a few really nice events here. Luckily, Hunters Run still maintains it's course and allows schooling and does some derby's and hunter trials on their property. So at least there is still access to a lovely course--they just don't run events anymore. I don't think that is going to be the case with Richland. I was fortunate to be able to compete there several times, and do an Ian Stark clinic (the only clinic they held there).

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                          • Originally posted by slp2 View Post
                            On an additional depressing note, I saw a post today that Richland Park has sold some of it's jumps to the organizer/ owner that runs the horse trials in Fresno, CA. They were already loaded on a flatbed truck. So, clearly, they are dismantling the course, and selling the portable jumps. Somehow I doubt that they plan to allow schooling or run a lower level horse trial on their property. It wasn't their MO before, I don't expect it will be now. It's just too bad because (as others have said) we have lost a few really nice events here. Luckily, Hunters Run still maintains it's course and allows schooling and does some derby's and hunter trials on their property. So at least there is still access to a lovely course--they just don't run events anymore. I don't think that is going to be the case with Richland. I was fortunate to be able to compete there several times, and do an Ian Stark clinic (the only clinic they held there).
                            So I am going to say it. I do not think that the organizers of Richland HT were devoted/committed to eventing generally. They were devoted/committed to running an International Event.

                            I have talked with the organizers of Hunters Run and part of the reason they stopped their Recognized HT was due to declining entries, which they attributed to Richland coming in close in the schedule and people opting to run at the latter instead of at Hunters Run. Many lower level and HT riders do not run more than a handful of events in a given year. I find this sad for the Michigan group that they lost both. Hunters Run has always been very cool about allowing schooling and organizing clinics. During my few years eventing in Michigan, I found that the support that they gave to eventers helped many of us develop far beyond what we would have without them. I apologize for the grammatical boo boos here: I am typing fast, at work, between other stuff.

                            So there: I said it. I realize that the Richland organizers were disappointed that they did not get what they wanted but they did not have to take all their toys and go home. If they were really "into" eventing, they would've provided for their local eventers. They did not and they have not.

                            No clinics, no schooling, and now no HT.

                            ETA: I have never been to Richland and I do not know the owners. The above is only in response to what I have learned here, on this thread. I have no dog in this fight other than I am very disappointed that I will never get to compete at Richland!
                            Last edited by Winding Down; Sep. 22, 2017, 01:35 PM.

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                            • Winding Down --I attended clinics at Richland Park --they hadn't had one recently, but they did have them. As to schooling --that's asking a lot for a venue to maintain their v-a-s-t grounds and allow people into their private property. I don't allow schooling or use of my stable facilities (about 1/1000 the size of RP) because I don't want strange horses, people, dogs on my place. Does that mean I don't support local riding groups? FYI I stopped going to Hunters' Run because I found the organizers difficult to deal with (maybe I'm the only one who felt that way). I had unfortunate experiences involving schooling there too. I did go there for 10 years for Hunters' Run HT, but after the last unpleasantness with the organizers (one in particular) decided that I would take my $ and go elsewhere. RPHT organizers always seemed to go out of their way to help regardless of the situation --really made everything go smoothly. I'm truly sorry RP isn't going to continue.

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                              • Originally posted by Winding Down View Post

                                So I am going to say it. I do not think that the organizers of Richland HT were devoted/committed to eventing generally. They were devoted/committed to running an International Event.
                                MY impression was that they were incredibly committed to Eventing. They put on an unbelievable HT. Their work, personal financial sacrifices and time were devoted to the sport on a level that had to be seen to be understood. What a shame that we lost this show and that our member run organizations played a heavy hand in it's loss.




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                                • At open schooling days on private XC courses you have to deal with loose dogs, people not being conscientious about trailer parking, plastic water bottles left EVERYWHERE, people jumping unsafely, trainers monopolizing the water, people jumping without their helmets or vests, and people driving personal vehicles onto the course. It's a pretty busy day for the farm owner.

                                  I certainly understand why private courses don't always offer open schooling days and I think it's unfair to judge facilities that don't.
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                                  • Originally posted by riderboy View Post

                                    MY impression was that they were incredibly committed to Eventing. They put on an unbelievable HT. Their work, personal financial sacrifices and time were devoted to the sport on a level that had to be seen to be understood. What a shame that we lost this show and that our member run organizations played a heavy hand in it's loss.



                                    Wasn't the land used for the event a working farm? I can see why they didn't want people on their farm every week. This was a bucket list and had planned on going next year. Sad to see it go.

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                                    • Originally posted by Littleluck55 View Post

                                      Wasn't the land used for the event a working farm? I can see why they didn't want people on their farm every week. This was a bucket list and had planned on going next year. Sad to see it go.
                                      There were two big cornfields on either side as you drove in, so yes, they did farm the property although the XC course was dedicated land. I'm sure now it will be farmed. From helping you park your trailer, to the final goodbye wave it was first class.

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                                      • Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                        At open schooling days on private XC courses you have to deal with loose dogs, people not being conscientious about trailer parking, plastic water bottles left EVERYWHERE, people jumping unsafely, trainers monopolizing the water, people jumping without their helmets or vests, and people driving personal vehicles onto the course. It's a pretty busy day for the farm owner.

                                        I certainly understand why private courses don't always offer open schooling days and I think it's unfair to judge facilities that don't.
                                        I have been to two local XC schooling courses. Fairhill has a number of set open schooling days over the spring, summer and fall. The other is a private farm and they seem to randomly open it up and advertise on Facebook. In neither case have I seen most of the issues you have talked about. The only ones I have seen is the occasional rider jumping unsafely and one time there was a trainer that was monopolizing a jump complex (not water). However because these are scheduled days there is somebody there to collect waivers and money and give out pinnies. Nobody goes on course without helmets, armbands or vests. I have never seen dogs there with the exception of the pony club mother who was collecting the waivers since she was going to be there for 5 hours. Her dog was leashed. No trash/water bottles left anywhere and certainly no personal vehicles on the courses. I couldn't even imagine most of that happening.
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                                        • Originally posted by SonnysMom View Post

                                          I have been to two local XC schooling courses. Fairhill has a number of set open schooling days over the spring, summer and fall. The other is a private farm and they seem to randomly open it up and advertise on Facebook. In neither case have I seen most of the issues you have talked about. The only ones I have seen is the occasional rider jumping unsafely and one time there was a trainer that was monopolizing a jump complex (not water). However because these are scheduled days there is somebody there to collect waivers and money and give out pinnies. Nobody goes on course without helmets, armbands or vests. I have never seen dogs there with the exception of the pony club mother who was collecting the waivers since she was going to be there for 5 hours. Her dog was leashed. No trash/water bottles left anywhere and certainly no personal vehicles on the courses. I couldn't even imagine most of that happening.
                                          I agree. I do not know where these catastrophic xc schooling days take place, but I sure don't see them here in Virginia and Maryland. I really appreciate the owners who make their facilities available for schooling and clinics, and I think I can speak for most in saying that we try hard to respect their property and show appreciation.

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