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UPDATE: Jonty Evans gets to keep Art

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  • It's not just horse people - I see business people do this all the time. Just going in when everything's sunshine and roses and everyone on the same page is exactly when to talk about what happens when things blow up later - and who has what rights, for what $, in the "divorce."

    As for Jonty, I've loved watching them run around, but have to wonder what all of these donors would think if he sold the horse tomorrow to, say, buy a farm to set himself up for the next decade or two, or some such...

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    • I don't know, I think it's great he loves his Olympic partner and all, and of course would be heartbreaking. I really don't think people should have put money together for him to get this horse on potential buyer interest. On top of that at $500,000.00.

      With that money, he could've bought a few horses, at lower levels with upper level potential and really build a string. Instead of all of it spent on one horse. I get the love story and think it's great, but realistically, asking everyone around the world to pitch in on a horse you clearly can't afford seems odd. On top of that, did he receive a deal from the owner since he's the one that put the work into the horse. Or did he have to pay full price as if he was a buyer from anywhere.

      I get owners being money hungry, but in this sport, it's common sense to have something legally written up to cover all parties. The owner had every right to sell if they wanted to, and gave him fair warning that they were planning on it. We see this time and time again, and riders are still not learning. Either own a share of the horse or have a really well written legal agreement for when this time comes. We keep seeing riders asking for help when their beloved partner is being sold. Well the owners get what out of it? In eventing they really don't get too much as an owner, so I can understand why a price tag would look appealing.

      I really don't think Jonty should've gone to the public to ask for people to give him money for a horse... makes me wonder if he can afford the maintenance on the horse, or will there be a gofundme posted for that next? Hopefully he'll be at the next Olympics with this horse!

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      • I thought this was an interesting article (Paragraph between the picture of Butts Leoness and Butts Leon at 2010 WEG).

        Didn't say if they get it in writing.

        http://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/201...-butts-legacy/


        "I swear it happened just like this" - Leonard Cohen

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        • I still don't understand why anyone cares what other people spend their money on or why people judge riders for trying to keep their horses. Am I supposed to resent a rider like this because no one is helping ME buy a horse? No one gives me swag to rep their products either. In a very public situation like this, a gofundme is no different than asking everyone he knows to sponsor him. Rather than making 1000 phone calls, he creates a gofundme. And the press picks it up. It's not a charitable donation as far as I know so who cares. Do you begrudge me the $ I spend on Netflix each month? That could go to a charity instead? But I use it on something I enjoy. Do you begrudge my colleague the $ I give to her daughter's girl scout troupe for their summer camp fundraiser? Should I have sent it to meals on wheels instead?

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          • I agree with those who have said above that this is likely to be a one-off success story on crowd-funding. I also think timing had a significant impact. If this had happened last summer, Jonty and Art would likely not have been on quite as many people's radar, including mine. However, they got a lot of coverage at Badminton and were pure joy to watch, and his love for the horse really shown through then, and I think following right on the heels of that contributed significantly to the success.

            My hope is that it will make riders pay attention to the long term plan earlier in the process -- you can't wait til the horse starts to peak to ensure you keep the ride. So it seems like you either find a way to absorb some of that cost along the way to have skin in the game, or you risk losing the ride later if the owner decides to or needs to sell.

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            • Jonty and Art are not going to the European Championships after all. Their excuse is a bit thin in my opinion - all of the work in fundraising to buy the horse means he wasn't as prepared as he wanted to be; and there is some blame laid on the technological difficulty of making the payment.

              The Irish rider will not travel to Poland for the championships, despite raising his target of £500,000 to secure the ride on “Art”
              Blugal

              You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

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              • I understand from other people that getting all,the funds released thru Go Fund Me's is a process and I know first hand PayPal won t doesn t release all the funds immediately.....the process of organizing and getting that large of an amount all in place to finalize a sale and paper work would be time consuming...I don t see it as a thin excuse....

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                • Better to not go than to go unprepared and have an accident or injury; haven't we discussed this on the Rolex/Badminton threads? I recall much criticism of those who showed up under-prepared and then ran anyway and had their asses handed to them. The article makes it sound like HSI was involved in making the decision.

                  I can't imagine what sort of legal hoops must be jumped through to get over $500K out of your Paypal account.

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                  • It's actually really easy to get Gofund me money, they deposit it into your account the next day. Depends on how you set it up though. Can be once a week, once a month, or next day.

                    It is kind of funny that the Aug 10th deadline was made because of the European champs and then they aren't even going. Why make that deadline then.
                    Boss Mare Eventing Blog
                    https://www.youtube.com/user/jealoushe

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                    • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                      It's actually really easy to get Gofund me money, they deposit it into your account the next day. Depends on how you set it up though. Can be once a week, once a month, or next day.

                      It is kind of funny that the Aug 10th deadline was made because of the European champs and then they aren't even going. Why make that deadline then.
                      With or without a firm offer in hand, it makes sense to me that the owner wouldn't want an open-ended process -- the owner gave Jonty a certain amount of time to raise the money, or the horse would need to be sold, and if the horse was going to be sold elsewhere, I would assume the owner wouldn't want to risk Art competing at the European Championships and potentially picking up an injury. So, it likely gave them an easy benchmark on the calendar.

                      I likewise don't see the withdrawal as a thin excuse, I'd rather see them withdraw than go and be mentally unprepared to compete. This has to have been an emotional rollercoaster for Jonty, and no matter how hard you might try, it has to have affected his focus and preparation. He may not even have realized how much it was going to affect him at the time, but something this stressful unavoidably takes a toll. Better to save the horse for another day than to risk giving Art less than Jonty's best ride!

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                      • For sure, I don't care that he isn't going, I'm sure he will do what is absolute best for the horse. Just curious how they chose the deadline.
                        Boss Mare Eventing Blog
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                        • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                          For sure, I don't care that he isn't going, I'm sure he will do what is absolute best for the horse. Just curious how they chose the deadline.
                          This was my approach as well.
                          Blugal

                          You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

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                          • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                            For sure, I don't care that he isn't going, I'm sure he will do what is absolute best for the horse. Just curious how they chose the deadline.
                            They choose the deadline because they DID have an offer for the horse (not just speculation)....and you have to pick a deadline. He had an owner that wanted him to figure out how to make it work...and was hoping he would succeed....but in the end, they can't have it dragged out. Each day is a risk the horse will get hurt. I'm happy he gets to continue with this horse...and hope they have many more events in their future.
                            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                            • Originally posted by judybigredpony View Post
                              I understand from other people that getting all,the funds released thru Go Fund Me's is a process and I know first hand PayPal won t doesn t release all the funds immediately.....the process of organizing and getting that large of an amount all in place to finalize a sale and paper work would be time consuming...I don t see it as a thin excuse....
                              I ran a go fund me for an UL rider, I had absolutely NO issues receiving the funds within a day, so no excuse there. IMO.

                              As for physical preparation, that's BS, you didn't sit in front of a computer looking for donations all day, I'm sure you were out riding still at some point.

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                              • Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post

                                They choose the deadline because they DID have an offer for the horse (not just speculation)....and you have to pick a deadline. He had an owner that wanted him to figure out how to make it work...and was hoping he would succeed....but in the end, they can't have it dragged out. Each day is a risk the horse will get hurt. I'm happy he gets to continue with this horse...and hope they have many more events in their future.
                                Thats NOT what H&H is saying... so what's the real story?

                                Jonty had set the deadline of last Thursday (10 August) to complete his campaign because of needing to travel to Strzegom, Poland for the event and the counter on the jontyandart.com website ticked over the £500,000 target just after 10am on Wednesday.
                                Boss Mare Eventing Blog
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                                • LadyB don't you think there's a big difference between not sitting in front of a computer all day, and being able to ride and prepare with the level of focus that you would normally bring to bear? Also, looking at his actual statement I don't think he said "physical preparation" he just referenced preparation in general, and IMO it isn't hard to imagine this affecting his mental preparation and focus.

                                  That said, however, my guess is that the real hang-up is that you now have to draft and sign sale and partnership agreements transferring ownership from the current owners to the new partnership of Jonty and the two large donors, and that a) doesn't happen overnight and b) has to be done before the horse could compete again, because of the risk of injury. It wouldn't have made sense to pay lawyers/barristers to draw up documents in advance when they didn't know if it would be successful, or what the new ownership structure would be.

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                                  • Originally posted by LadyB View Post

                                    I ran a go fund me for an UL rider, I had absolutely NO issues receiving the funds within a day, so no excuse there. IMO.

                                    As for physical preparation, that's BS, you didn't sit in front of a computer looking for donations all day, I'm sure you were out riding still at some point.
                                    So.... you think he's missing the European Eventing Championships on his star horse why? Just 'cuz?

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                                    • I think from the get go he shouldn't have claimed to aim for it, with the horse ownership being in jeopardy. It makes no sense to have even been planning on it, since there was a rush to buy this horse because of a 'potential' buyer. He had no idea when that horse was leaving him, so why keep planning on going places.

                                      My point is, I don't think the reasoning was the real reason. Or maybe just not detailed enough, because really it's no ones business, but he's made his life public. So yes it makes sense for paperwork to take much longer, to travel with a horse with proper papers and all of that. That comes back to his deadline, maybe he shouldn't have made his deadline so close with the potential of owning this horse. Obviously many many factors, just seems like a brushed off excuse to the media. You can't run this huge campaign and expect everyone to just accept the reasoning he gave. He put it all out there and everyone rooting for him, and in the end he just says they aren't prepared.

                                      In the end it sucks, the welfare is most important.

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                                      • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                                        Thats NOT what H&H is saying... so what's the real story?
                                        I didn't mean the deadline was set by the proposed buyer...but was set by Jonty and the owner because a deadline needs to be set in these situations. My point was that there was more than just speculation...they had actual offers on the horse so the Owner had decided to get cashed out.
                                        ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                                        • The deadline? It's called marketing.

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