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  • Pentosan vs. Adequan?

    Hi everybody,

    Coming out of lurkdom to ask a question. Our vet has decided that our mare needs to put on a course of Adequan, 7 shots spaced 4 days apart. He doesn't believe in Pentosan at all, so I don't like to mention it to him. She's currently on a monthly shot of Pentosan, because I can't afford the Adequan. How does Pentosan compare to Adequan, and can we just do the 7 shot regimen in Pentosan, instead of doing it with Adequan? Thanks so much!

    Also, he recommended that we also follow up with a monthly shot of Legend, but we can't afford it because, well, two horses. Does anybody know of a generic Legend substitute?

    Thanks for any and all help! I'll cross post this in Horse Care as well.
    "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Edison

    So, the Zen Buddhist says to the hotdog vendor, "Make me one with everything."

  • #2
    When Adequan was on back order and I needed it for my dog, I used pentosan. It worked great. We did 6 injections 7 days apart. He hasn't had a lame day since. You can certainly use pentosan instead of Adequan. I don't know why your vet doesn't believe in it. It's not Santa Claus or God. It definitely exists. (sorry, just being a smart ass. I know what you mean). Maybe he's had horses on it and found it doesn't work as well. But, like I said, I've used it instead of Adequan and have found it to work well on lots of my patients.

    Legend is hyaluronate sodium which you can find tons of generics online. I think even Amazon has it. Some of the products, though, are not FDA approved, so you'll want to be careful. For instance, Conquer is an oral gel labeled as a nutritional supplement, and not FDA approved. There are also other brand names - Hyvisc, Hyalovet, Synacid, etc.

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    • #3
      I found that my horse did BETTER on Pentosan than on Adequan.

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        #4
        Thanks for the replies! Because Pentosan is not approved for off-label use, he doesn't "believe" in it, sad to say. Thank you, Dr. Beckett, for the tip on the Legend.
        "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Edison

        So, the Zen Buddhist says to the hotdog vendor, "Make me one with everything."

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        • #5
          If you go into the horse care forum you'll see a lot of talk about Pentosan lately.

          I've had my horse on Pentosan Platinum for 2 weeks now, its early, but he feels amazing! I will be switching him to the gold because the Platinum is a one dose bottle, and 18ml a week. Not ideal.

          In Canada Adequan is hard to get lately, so people are looking for other products that are just as good. I've read amazing reviews about Pentosan and know a few people using it. It's like any supplement or drug, depending on the horse it can be a hit or miss.

          I say give it a shot!

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          • #6
            More people are using Pentosan because Adequan has been sporadically unavailable for the past couple of years and has increased in price substantially. Many have also found the effects of either of these are quite similar but Pentosan is easier to get from multiple sources while most have to get Adequan thru their vet.

            Vets I've spoken to have not objected to Pentosan, particularly when they can't get Adequan. Always up to the owner to do proper research then select what works best for them and their horse and considering finances is part of that decision.
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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            • #7
              I wish I'd seen this post, I just ordered a loading dose of Adequan for my horse. eeep $$$!

              I'll ask my vet about Pentosan next time!
              Team Ginger

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              • #8
                I have been using Polyglycan on my guy. It is off-label, but I have found that it is working much better than Legend. My vet was not a fan of Pentosan either.

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                • #9
                  I have used Pentosan, Polyglycan, and Adequan. Adequan is the only one I truly felt/saw results with, but it's also the only one I did the 5ml/4 days/7 shots regime. My vet price matched the multidose bottle (which is awesome because I use it on both horse and Bulldog) and I have some left for the next round.

                  I used Polyglycan on our Bulldog in the past and got way better results IV than IM, but it didn't seem to do much, even IV, on my horse. Pentosan didn't seem to help at all.
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                  • #10
                    My vet was willing to prescribe me either, but said she preferred Adequan. It's been around longer, is approved. The prices really aren't that different (at least what she was charging me) so I went with Adequan.

                    I did one bottle a week for 4 weeks then one bottle every month. I'm pretty pleased and my horse wasn't in bad shape to begin with, just wanted a little cush for eventing season!

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                    • #11
                      Where is everyone getting their pentosan? I found that after it was approved ~1.5 years ago for this use the price shot up and it was more expensive then adequan.

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                      • #12
                        My mare is on pentosan and is doing really well with it. I'm very happy with the drug, all the vets I've been working with (she has had quite a team for her rehabilitation) give pentosan the okay for use and was actually suggested to me over adequan by her surgical veterinarian. The only thing is that there is a slight chance for abscess at the injection site, I have never seen this happen (she's been getting it for about a year now) but we do inject into her pectoral muscles as opposed to her neck in the event the injection site did abscess.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by littlemess View Post
                          Where is everyone getting their pentosan? I found that after it was approved ~1.5 years ago for this use the price shot up and it was more expensive then adequan.
                          I get it compounded from Wedgewood-- you will need a script

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                          • #14
                            I used Adequan on my horse for a 3 years, didn't really see much effect but kept it up at the vet's suggestion. New vet suggested Pentosan, which I get from the vet who gets it from a compounding pharmacy. See a big difference with the Pentosan. My horse had previously needed IRAP in his neck twice in 3 years, and acupuncture monthly in the neck. We have not needed to inject the neck nor do acupuncture in it since doing the loading dose of Pentosan. The chiro/acupuncture vet confirmed he has much better range of motion in his neck. She said, anecdotally, she sees some horses do better on Adequan and some on Pentosan and has not seen any research to say why.

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                            • #15
                              I have used all three, and Pentosan has been by far the most effective. I usually feel big improvement even before concluding the loading doses.

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                              • #16
                                I haven't used Adequan, but have used polyglycan and Pentosan. The mare is currently on Pentosan, either every week or every other week (the former if I remember, sigh...) I think it's better than polyglycan at this point, but not the miracle drug I was hoping for. I did start with the every-4-days loading dose.

                                My vet was anti-Pentosan for the same reason (off label use), though oddly enough he was fine with polyglycan being off label. He's seen enough good results with Pentosan that he now prescribes it regularly.

                                The biggest advantage for me is that it's not terribly expensive (works out to ~$12 for a 5 ml dose), and I can inject it IM with someone holding the mare's head. It goes in much easier than polyglycan does.

                                For others: have you seen big improvements with the Pentosan Gold or Platinum over the plain Pentosan?
                                You have to have experiences to gain experience.

                                1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by quietann View Post
                                  I haven't used Adequan, but have used polyglycan and Pentosan. The mare is currently on Pentosan, either every week or every other week (the former if I remember, sigh...) I think it's better than polyglycan at this point, but not the miracle drug I was hoping for. I did start with the every-4-days loading dose.

                                  My vet was anti-Pentosan for the same reason (off label use), though oddly enough he was fine with polyglycan being off label. He's seen enough good results with Pentosan that he now prescribes it regularly.

                                  The biggest advantage for me is that it's not terribly expensive (works out to ~$12 for a 5 ml dose), and I can inject it IM with someone holding the mare's head. It goes in much easier than polyglycan does.

                                  For others: have you seen big improvements with the Pentosan Gold or Platinum over the plain Pentosan?
                                  Where are you getting it from that is coming out $12/dose? If I get it at a compounding pharmacy it's more like $20/dose. Which is still fine, but cheaper is better as long as it's from a reputable source...
                                  Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                                  you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by soloudinhere View Post

                                    Where are you getting it from that is coming out $12/dose? If I get it at a compounding pharmacy it's more like $20/dose. Which is still fine, but cheaper is better as long as it's from a reputable source...
                                    I'm getting it from my vet, and I'm pretty sure it's the Wedgewood compounded stuff. A 50 ml bottle is 10 doses. Racehorsemeds.com has that for $139.95, so that would be $14 per dose. Horseprerace.com is $1 cheaper per dose.
                                    You have to have experiences to gain experience.

                                    1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by quietann View Post

                                      I'm getting it from my vet, and I'm pretty sure it's the Wedgewood compounded stuff. A 50 ml bottle is 10 doses. Racehorsemeds.com has that for $139.95, so that would be $14 per dose. Horseprerace.com is $1 cheaper per dose.
                                      Interesting. Wedgewood wouldn't give me a price without a script. I don't know that I'd be willing to buy an injectable from horseprerace or racehorsemeds.
                                      Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                                      you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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