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Elephant in the room....Running back from Rolex to Bromont??!!!

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  • Elephant in the room....Running back from Rolex to Bromont??!!!

    I'll hold my tongue, for now, but is this a good idea?

    (I do respect the rider in question, but this is a questionable move at best in my mind)

    ~Emily
    "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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    If you think about it, Paddy sat out almost all of 2009. From the looks of things, he's fit, sound, and ready as ever to be doing Bromont, and looks as though Kim needs this qualification for a shot at WEG this fall. I think if Kim's judgment tells her it's ok, then it should be considered because she would only do what's best for her horse.

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      More than one...
      Blugal

      You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Blugal View Post
        More than one...
        Yes. And next week's Luhmuhlen CCI**** line-up features some horses that completed Rolex or Badminton.

        The claim that any professional rider 'would only do what's best for his/her horse' just doesn't fit with the complex nature of the world we live in. You weigh your options, debate your goals, take your chances and hope it all works out in your favor and your horse comes home safe.

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        • #5
          So, how much rest is typically given to a horse between 3/4* events. Rolex was, what, 6 weeks ago? Just curious. I have no idea.

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          • #6
            Yes, I was thinking about timing, too. If it takes, say three months to get four star fit -- that is a lot of wear and tear on legs, mind, body. Then you have that long, big course. Then all the work overnight to keep stiffness at bay and get the horse right for stadium Sunday. Then the ship home. There has to be a couple of down days. Then you have six weeks to prepare for a three star, which while it is not at the intensity or effort of the four star, is substantial nontheless. Some horses just bounce from thing to thing like nothing and others just need more time with their frames for recovery and retention of fitness. If I were to pick a type of horse that could handle a schedule like that it would be something with Irish blood for sure. It's a WEG year. Ambition rears its ugly head, eh?
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            • #7
              Oh, but isn't this why we went to the short format? Cause it is easier on our horses so we can run them more often, which gives us a second chance when things don't go our way.

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                Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                Yes, I was thinking about timing, too. If it takes, say three months to get four star fit -- that is a lot of wear and tear on legs, mind, body. Then you have that long, big course. Then all the work overnight to keep stiffness at bay and get the horse right for stadium Sunday. Then the ship home. There has to be a couple of down days. Then you have six weeks to prepare for a three star, which while it is not at the intensity or effort of the four star, is substantial nontheless. Some horses just bounce from thing to thing like nothing and others just need more time with their frames for recovery and retention of fitness. If I were to pick a type of horse that could handle a schedule like that it would be something with Irish blood for sure. It's a WEG year. Ambition rears its ugly head, eh?
                worrisome on many levels...rider thinking and the horse himself...

                anyone got the XC time order of go? I looked on the site and only the dressage times were there...????
                ~ it no longer matters what level I do, as long as I am doing it..~ with many thanks, to Elizabeth Callahan

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gry2Yng View Post
                  Oh, but isn't this why we went to the short format? Cause it is easier on our horses so we can run them more often, which gives us a second chance when things don't go our way.
                  From what I hear the conditioning programs for long and short formats aren't that much different...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JER View Post
                    The claim that any professional rider 'would only do what's best for his/her horse' just doesn't fit with the complex nature of the world we live in. You weigh your options, debate your goals, take your chances and hope it all works out in your favor and your horse comes home safe.
                    This says it all.

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                    • #11
                      Online article in the Chronicle has Kim's explanation.
                      "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                        Online article in the Chronicle has Kim's explanation.


                        Yes in which she clearly states that she is doing this for herself.

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                          Online article in the Chronicle has Kim's explanation:

                          “I need to do it for me. I need to go show jumping again,” Severson said, referring to the six rails she and “Paddy” pulled in Kentucky, dropping them from second place to finish 24th. “I’ve been getting a ton of help from [show jumping expert] Katie Prudent, and I’ve been working really, really hard. So hopefully I’ve learned something. And I just need to do it for myself.”
                          ~Emily
                          "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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                            Doesn't that beg the question, well, why not fix the show jumping at show jumping competitions?
                            There must be more to it than just "fixing it for me". There had to be something else involved. If it were that simple, in that she wanted to fix her nerves or her horse's nerves, she could simply get to a few jumper shows without the pounding of a full three day event...I think XC is saying she is trying to SHOW her horse is fixed and she is fixed and proving it with an eventing competition to be one of the last sound horses standing in line for a WEG team membership.
                            Like I've said before, it's like heroin or crack -- getting on the team.
                            Here's another question - how far apart are these competitions - Bromont, Luhmuhlen -- from the Sept. mandatory outing in Georgia and the WEG three day event? How much time is there to get the Rolex horses let down and back up to fitness, and are these horses with the interim event going to be better, or worse off?
                            Last edited by retreadeventer; Jun. 12, 2010, 02:05 PM. Reason: question added
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                              Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                              Doesn't that beg the question, well, why not fix the show jumping at show jumping competitions?
                              There must be more to it than just "fixing it for me". There had to be something else involved. If it were that simple, in that she wanted to fix her nerves or her horse's nerves, she could simply get to a few jumper shows without the pounding of a full three day event...I think XC is saying she is trying to SHOW her horse is fixed and she is fixed and proving it with an eventing competition to be one of the last sound horses standing in line for a WEG team membership.
                              Like I've said before, it's like heroin or crack -- getting on the team.

                              Here's another question - how far apart are these competitions - Bromont, Luhmuhlen -- from the Sept. mandatory outing in Georgia and the WEG three day event? How much time is there to get the Rolex horses let down and back up to fitness, and are these horses with the interim event going to be better, or worse off?
                              insightful, sad analogy especially since it's true of many of BNRs in other times - just so wish it wasn't this particular person revealing her addiction...
                              Last edited by RunForIt; Jun. 12, 2010, 02:59 PM.
                              ~ it no longer matters what level I do, as long as I am doing it..~ with many thanks, to Elizabeth Callahan

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                              • #16
                                I changed that, Run, because I thought it was a little harsh after I re-read it. I think the horse and the rider in question are fabulous and she's the best woman rider I think we have in the country for this sport. The horse is awesome, no question about that, certainly a horse worthy of team potential.

                                XC is questioning the timing, and effort required, here, and she's perfectly right in doing so. XC has experience at these levels while I do not. I have not competed at this level but once or twice, so it's a bit over my head. I just know firsthand that if a team membership is desired, many people get into the gerbil wheel of that goal and it gets really hard to live without getting what you want.

                                I guess the real judge of it is the Sunday morning jog, isn't it?
                                Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                                Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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                                • #17
                                  How about! We let riders and owners decide what they want to do with their horses and what is best for them...

                                  I don't think they care what the peanut gallery has to say

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Shrunk "N" Da Wash View Post
                                    How about! We let riders and owners decide what they want to do with their horses and what is best for them...

                                    I don't think they care what the peanut gallery has to say

                                    Actually - most ULR depend on the peanut gallery to ride in the ULR's clinic's, take instruction, coaching and support the companies sponsoring the ULR. That is at the 'wallet' level

                                    At a more important level - Horsemen should always watch other Horsemen and call them to task when their actions are not in the best interest for the horse. Be that 2 individuals having a heart2heart or instructor2student or peanut gallery to individual(s).
                                    "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
                                    Courtesy my cousin Tim

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                                      I changed that, Run, because I thought it was a little harsh after I re-read it. I think the horse and the rider in question are fabulous and she's the best woman rider I think we have in the country for this sport. The horse is awesome, no question about that, certainly a horse worthy of team potential.

                                      XC is questioning the timing, and effort required, here, and she's perfectly right in doing so. XC has experience at these levels while I do not. I have not competed at this level but once or twice, so it's a bit over my head. I just know firsthand that if a team membership is desired, many people get into the gerbil wheel of that goal and it gets really hard to live without getting what you want.

                                      I guess the real judge of it is the Sunday morning jog, isn't it?
                                      I knew your heart and thinking before even using your quote in my reply - also edited the quote to reflect your changes.

                                      I'd like to add on to your final though here though...Paddy (and others) may well jog up satisfactorily on Sunday. It's when the training starts up again that the stresses from two back-to-back events at this level are possibly more likely to show up. I am speaking from experience here, only not as a horse competing and training, but my own when trying to run too many long distance foot races in too short a span of time and kept training due to always having something to qualify for in my sights...may be totally unrelated, but it happens often in running. Glad to talk with ya!
                                      ~ it no longer matters what level I do, as long as I am doing it..~ with many thanks, to Elizabeth Callahan

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                                      • #20
                                        I have a problem with all this "letting down" and "gaining" of fitness stuff.
                                        The average hunting horse does the equivalent of several cross country courses (at least) in an average weekly outing and some do it twice a week. They will often take part in other disciplines on their off days. What's with the cotton wool ?
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