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  • What do you want to see in a prospect?

    When searching for a prospect that is lightly started, what do you want to see in photos, regardless of the price? We're talking 30 days of saddle time and some light jumping to get an idea of form.

    What pictures do you want of flat work?

    What pictures do you want over fences?

    What do you want to read in the text?

    What's going to turn you away from the horse as a prospect?
    To be loved by a horse, or by any animal, should fill us with awe-
    for we have not deserved it.
    Marion Garretty

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    I want:
    -A straight, well setup confirmation shot. Nothing angled or positioned weird.

    To be honest, I would rather see videos because you can tell more. A picture can represent the one good moment a horse had the entire work; I know it can be that way with a video, but I feel you get a better sense of the horse. So, in the video I want:
    -Flat: Relaxed, on a light contact rein, not cranked on the bit, but more of just accepting the light contact without rooting. At 30 days I would rather not see anything fancy (lead changes, ect that people are starting to put on their baby's sales videos) just some wtc. And in that Id look for balence (can they hold themselves up not leaning on the reins for balance every minute), calmness (general not-freaking-outness ), and a hint that they might have some nice gaits under the greeness.
    -Jumping: IF they are jumping at this point, which Im not sure they should be with 30 days under saddle.... I would want to see them trot calmly over a few ground poles and very low cross rails and just try. If they knocked it once, then I'd like to see them pick up their feet next time. That would be it for the jumping as you really cant tell a lot about form ect over a cross rail. I would just want to see that they are willing without rushing too badly (if they do, it could honestly be because they were pushed to jump after 30 days of being under saddle and they werent ready).

    As for text, I think the videos explain more honestly, but Id want to know a brief story. For example:

    "Star got off the track as a 3yr old after 2 races. He was too slow and the trainer didnt want to bother anymore. We let him sit out in a field with some buddies for a month to learn how to become a horse. We slowly started him again with a bit of lunging and then flatwork. Yesterday, we began ground poles and he willing went over a small crossrail. Star has clean legs and is completely sound in bare feet." (Hey, I can dream right?)

    What would turn me away would be (in the order of preference): Some awful awful conf/ soundness problem, major behavioral issue like rearing or totally resisting (I have seen videos of this and it makes you think, okay this is the best that they had of the horse?), and, once you get there, having the horse be nothing like the video so much so that what looked like a nice blood bay with socks turns into a bucking liver chestnut with no socks (again, I have had this happen ).

    Sorry this got long.... can you tell Im shopping?
    RIP Charlie and Toby

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    • #3
      I look for about the same things.

      Turn ons include a good confo shot and a basic video showing nothing more than 3 good gaits on an easy contact.

      Turn offs in the ad include (oh so many more things) LIARS, no confo shots (I hate seeing headshots only for an expensive horse), no pics of them doing anything, horrible spelling and grammar so I cant understand wtf they are trying to say, the claim of "upper level potential" for every horse they have for sale, when they have no idea what this means.

      Turn offs in a horse with 30 days include jumping more than a cavaletti sized jump, jumping a course, going in a dressage saddle, going in anything but a snaffle, doing anything fancier than w/t/c on a relaxed contact and hacking out. I would take the hacking out over any flatwork at all. And of course health or soundness problems turn me off, along with the claim of "perfect confirmation" (its always spelled this way when they dont know what perfect conformation means) and then you get there and its got crooked legs and an upside down neck.

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      • #4
        Its not hard to take a video. I have bought several horses from video and PPE sight unseen. In the video I want to see the horse trotting straight to the camera and straight away from it in addition to trotting from both sides. When they omit the trotting to and from and they are a professional, I won't waste my or their time. As said before it's a pain taking time to see a horse who travels like an eggbeater, and has crooked legs.

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        • #5
          I have also gone to see 20k 7 year olds who cant get their correct leads and the owner says "oh yeah well he is OT" - yeah, 4 years ago. Or a 7/8 TB 1/8 Holsteiner that had dinner plate feet and looked like a half draft. The worst thing about horse shopping is the BS you have to weed through to find something, anything, suitable.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bobthehorse View Post
            I have also gone to see 20k 7 year olds who cant get their correct leads and the owner says "oh yeah well he is OT" - yeah, 4 years ago. Or a 7/8 TB 1/8 Holsteiner that had dinner plate feet and looked like a half draft. The worst thing about horse shopping is the BS you have to weed through to find something, anything, suitable.

            Errr... Yes! I cant even begin to count the "sound horses" with three working legs I have seen in the last few weeks! Ooo or my trainer has a story about a stud she went to go see who the trainer said would be sound when he was gelded...

            And it helps when the owner knows if the horse would be appropriate. I am roughly 5'4" so I can probably consider a large pony/ smallish horse, but I dont want to see the barn's wonderful pony that sticks at 11 hands...
            RIP Charlie and Toby

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            • #7
              All I really care to see in an ad is a picture that makes me go "Oh! Cute!" Usually those are decent conformation pictures or of it going halfway nicely in the trot or popping over a little bitty fence with a sweet expression. If it otherwise meets my criteria (price, type, size, age range), then I rather go SEE it and SIT on it than see a bunch of pictures or even video. Rather see a little video then a ton of pics. Rather see it in real life than video.
              Amanda

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              • #8
                I'm with YB. Good conformation shots, short video of w/t/c.

                Please don't use shot of:
                horse grazing in a field
                head in a bucket
                horse dirty
                horse rolling
                horse holding hose in it's mouth

                Don't show me shots of you on horse:
                flapping a tarp
                Standing on his back
                waving a rope in it's face
                leading horse w/o a rope

                That kind of s#$% just turns me off.
                Please don't claim that the horse has upper level potential unless you are an upper level rider.

                I agree with Bobthehorse about everything except "going in a dressage saddle". I honestly don't care what kind of saddle they are going in, as long as they are relaxed and happy.

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                • #9
                  Id rather see it in person too, if its close enough. I did request a longer video though of the one over 6 hours away, thats too far to find a lame pony.

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                    #10
                    Very helpful

                    I wish I could explain more about the horse to get better ideas how to market him.
                    To be loved by a horse, or by any animal, should fill us with awe-
                    for we have not deserved it.
                    Marion Garretty

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                    • #11
                      Dressage saddle usually means sitting trot, and I dont think most horses with 30 days are ready for that kind of riding. I prefer to see them being ridden off their backs a bit more because they certainly dont have the muscle development over their topline at this point in their training to handle a dressage seat. It goes with my dislike of seeing very green horses going in tight little frames.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by graytbmare View Post
                        And it helps when the owner knows if the horse would be appropriate.
                        This! Although, I'm on the opposite side of things, I'm trying to sell one and can't seem to get people to tell me about what they're looking for so I can tell them whether or not my guy might work. Although my favorite lately was a 'trainer' (some woman who I've never heard of, but claims greatness) who in multiple emails refused to tell me what her student was looking for, would only tell me that the horse would have a great 'forever' home, and kept asking me how high he jumps. First line of the ad? W/T/C, lightly started over fences. Lol.
                        Different Times Equestrian Ventures at Hidden Spring Ranch
                        www.DifferentTimesEquestrianVentures.com

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                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          I found his old canter ad, no picture in it though. Sounds like he was a sweetie from the beginning.
                          To be loved by a horse, or by any animal, should fill us with awe-
                          for we have not deserved it.
                          Marion Garretty

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Timex View Post
                            This! Although, I'm on the opposite side of things, I'm trying to sell one and can't seem to get people to tell me about what they're looking for so I can tell them whether or not my guy might work. Although my favorite lately was a 'trainer' (some woman who I've never heard of, but claims greatness) who in multiple emails refused to tell me what her student was looking for, would only tell me that the horse would have a great 'forever' home, and kept asking me how high he jumps. First line of the ad? W/T/C, lightly started over fences. Lol.
                            Loveee the sketchy trainers! We had one come with a student who claimed she had gone Prelim, but was very impressed with the BN size fences we had the sale horse hop over. Like up his neck, release to his ears haha.

                            OP- Are you looking to market a horse for sale or looking at one to buy? We might be able to give more specific advice if you want it
                            RIP Charlie and Toby

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                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              I'm looking to market a horse for sale. I'm glad I finally found out who the horse is after tracing his tattoo. He was listed on CANTER by his trainer/owner about 3 years ago.
                              To be loved by a horse, or by any animal, should fill us with awe-
                              for we have not deserved it.
                              Marion Garretty

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                              • #16
                                If its that chestnut you have a TON of work to do before you market him to eventers. Or anyone.

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                                • #17
                                  Some of these stories crack me up! People never cease to amaze me!

                                  So those of you who are looking, where do you shop for prospects?

                                  What is the target price range for a horse like graytbmare describes (best case screamin' deal up to "retail" price for solid prospect)?
                                  Real Horses. Real Riders. Real Results! www.wvhorsetrainer.com

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                                  • #18
                                    First, I would get him evaluated by an eventing professional so they can tell you if the horse is worth marketing as an event horse. And 30 days under saddle is not going to tell you if the horse is going to be an eventer or any other discipline for that matter.
                                    In a video, I like to see a free jump, even if it's 18" high, it tells you a lot about the horse.
                                    Even duct tape can't fix stupid

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by thathorse View Post
                                      So those of you who are looking, where do you shop for prospects?

                                      What is the target price range for a horse like graytbmare describes (best case screamin' deal up to "retail" price for solid prospect)?
                                      I always shop online because Im not really "in" on the popular kids scene here. Of course I have never found anything I bought online, both time I was shopping I ended up buying from people I already knew, or friends of friends, that didnt have the horses actively advertised. That says something.

                                      I think the price of a 30 days broke type prospect depends SO MUCH on their quality and potential. At that stage they have no real training that youre paying for, so you are really buying the raw talent. I paid 15k for mine with a similar amount of training.

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                                      • #20
                                        I want shoppers like YBritches

                                        I restart a lot of horses and I disagree that you can't figure out whether or not they want to be an eventer or not. I can get a lot done in 30 days especially if the horse is a TB who has raced. You aren't breaking them you are just restarting them.

                                        In 30 days, I have them w/t/c and starting to figure out how to stretch on the flat. They have went off the farm several times. They have been trail ridden enough for me to know whether they are going to have a panic attack and die or if they are brave. Can they handle front or back and how about natural terrain. If they have enough of a brain then I can take them out x-c and pop over some elementary fences enough to tell me if they can think for themselves and if they are willing to try. I walk them into the water, over ditches, up and down banks and ride away from the group a bit.

                                        As far as pictures/video I am going to try to dress nicely and present my horse nicely. Take good conformation shots. Then riding/jumping pictures. Do a short 5 min video showing w/t/c jumping and if you have footage of the horse out of the ring incorporate it.

                                        My ad is going to read something like this:
                                        4 yr ottb who has been off the track for X # of months. He is getting his initial retraining and is quietly w/t/c cantering in the ring and jumping courses of 2." Has been taken off the farm several times to various rings/indoors and also been out trail riding. Say if horse has hung out at a little local show on ground. Talk about the type of rider they need. Soundness issues/vices. Personality.

                                        LisaB made a good point of making a free jump chute. It's easy to do and if you can help it can really show off a talented horse especially if the horse is a prospect and someone is looking for raw potential.
                                        http://www.benchmarksporthorses.com/

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