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  • "Air Bag" eventing jacket? Really???

    Recently I heard of this new fangled invention, an "air bag" eventing jacket. If you come off, the jacket apparently inflates very quickly like an airbag and protects you from impact.

    From my understanding it sort of attaches to the saddle via a cord, you come off, cord pulls and POOF!

    Two questions.... Say a rider got REALLY left behind over a fence (I realize if that's the case they maybe shouldn't be jumping at that height, just a theoretical), would the jacket inflate?

    If the jacket did happen to inflate in that scenario, what's the chance that the horse would lose it's marbles due to the loud "POOF" ing noise on it's back, potentially causing a wreck?

    Any other thoughts on these jackets would be greatly appreciated. Are they good? Bad? An expensive gimmick?

  • #2
    Do a search.

    This garment has been discussed in great detail on both this BB and the Horse & Hound board and, at this point, there's not much more to be said.

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    • #3
      I think Oliver Townend was wearing one when he fell on cross country at Rolex this year.

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      • #4
        I haven't really looked into the air vest that much, since I don't event enough that buying on would be worth it. But the majority of the top riders at Rolex were wearing one (either the Point Two Pro or the Hit Air) So my guess is theres probably a lot of good that these vests do.

        Fo your question about the vest inflating if a rider got left behind, the lanyard that attaches the vest to the saddle is long enough that as long as you are still "in" the saddle it won't inflate. If you got so left behind that you are out of the saddle you probably aren't going to stay on the horse very long anyways and the vest would inflate.

        Also from my understanding the vests really aren't that loud when they inflate. Its just a popping noise. I know of a couple of people who own them and forgot to unhook the lanyard from the saddle as they got off and inflated themselves... horses could really car less about their rider turning into a black marshmallow.
        Chrissy

        RIP Beaming Sportsfield (1998-2012)

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          #5
          Originally posted by JER View Post
          Do a search.

          This garment has been discussed in great detail on both this BB and the Horse & Hound board and, at this point, there's not much more to be said.
          Oh sorry, I didn't realize! I'll have a peek through the old discussions.

          Originally posted by OneMoreForTheRoad View Post
          I haven't really looked into the air vest that much, since I don't event enough that buying on would be worth it. But the majority of the top riders at Rolex were wearing one (either the Point Two Pro or the Hit Air) So my guess is theres probably a lot of good that these vests do.

          Fo your question about the vest inflating if a rider got left behind, the lanyard that attaches the vest to the saddle is long enough that as long as you are still "in" the saddle it won't inflate. If you got so left behind that you are out of the saddle you probably aren't going to stay on the horse very long anyways and the vest would inflate.

          Also from my understanding the vests really aren't that loud when they inflate. Its just a popping noise. I know of a couple of people who own them and forgot to unhook the lanyard from the saddle as they got off and inflated themselves... horses could really car less about their rider turning into a black marshmallow.
          Well that's good to know I guess.

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          • #6
            They seem to have really taken off. I was at Poplar in March and then at Rolex last weekend and a lot of the upper level riders are using them. Personally, I am quite certain that I would somehow snag it mid course and have to finish looking and riding like a blowfish. (Plus I am pre-BN at this point, so it would be a little extreme to be toodling around my little bitty courses with my air vest on!)

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            • #7
              But the majority of the top riders at Rolex were wearing one (either the Point Two Pro or the Hit Air) So my guess is theres probably a lot of good that these vests do.
              I wouldn't say that the second half necessarily follows from the first half of that statement. It would be VERY NICE to have some actual data that they help, but in the meantime people who can afford them seem to be buying and wearing them, so . . . that will have to do for now, I guess.
              Click here before you buy.

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              • #8
                there may be insufficient data, but the riders are voting with their checkbooks. 31 of 42 starters wore the point 2 and another 2 or 3 wore the hit air at Rolex (this is what the point 2 rep at the Bit of Britain booth told me Sunday afternoon). My academic work is in the diffusion and adoption of medical technology and I find this whole thing fascinating.
                OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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                • #9
                  Deltawave- if you're interested in seeing data, look into the motocross vests that work under the same principle. They've been around for years in that industry and function almost exactly as the riding vests do. I believe they are standard uniform in MX racing at this point.
                  Here today, gone tomorrow...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by scubed View Post
                    there may be insufficient data, but the riders are voting with their checkbooks. 31 of 42 starters wore the point 2 and another 2 or 3 wore the hit air at Rolex (this is what the point 2 rep at the Bit of Britain booth told me Sunday afternoon). My academic work is in the diffusion and adoption of medical technology and I find this whole thing fascinating.
                    The cynic in me asks-
                    "Are the riders PAYING FOR the Air Vests? Or are they BEING PAID to wear them?"
                    Janet

                    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                    • #11
                      Some of both, would be my guess. For sure some are being paid, but I'd be surprised if all of them were.

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                      • #12
                        Here is a list of US sponsored riders:

                        http://www.pointtwousa.com/sponsoredathletes.html

                        In the UK, I know WFP, Olie, and Mary King are sponsored by Point Two. I'm sure there are more, but there are many UL riders in both countries wearing the vests without sponsorships.

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                        • #13
                          I just like the idea of landing on something puffy when I fall off....not that my a$$ isn't enough cushion...
                          "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Edison

                          So, the Zen Buddhist says to the hotdog vendor, "Make me one with everything."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post
                            Deltawave- if you're interested in seeing data, look into the motocross vests that work under the same principle. They've been around for years in that industry and function almost exactly as the riding vests do. I believe they are standard uniform in MX racing at this point.
                            Uh, falling off a motorcycle and a horse are tow TOTALLY different mechanical systems. At the same time, if you look at the current F1 motorcycle vests, they have NO lanyard and are computer controlled to avoid inadvertent deployment. Motorcyclists do not have to worry about CRUSHING blows nor high trajectory falls (they deal predominantly with low trajectory falls).

                            You can NOT compare a motorcycle accident to falling off a horse.

                            Reed

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                            • #15
                              It's pretty amazing that they sponsor 16 riders in the US. Do they need that many to make sure the message gets across?

                              Also I'm wary of David O'Connor being a sponsored rider by them. What's next... a USEF-supported rule change requiring them? Or is it more likely that if you want to make the Canadian team, you'd better toe the line and wear what you're told? (Sorry the cynic in me can't resist...)
                              Blugal

                              You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

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                              • #16
                                Oliver Townend has repeatedly said that his air vest saved his life.

                                And having seen that fall, I can't find any other reason that he's still alive.

                                FWIW, I highly doubt there will be any USEF or EC rule requiring them any time soon.
                                To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by adamsmom View Post
                                  Oliver Townend has repeatedly said that his air vest saved his life.

                                  And having seen that fall, I can't find any other reason that he's still alive.
                                  OT was wearing both a certified safety helmet and a conventional, certified body protector.

                                  Yet you conclude his un- or partially- or eventually-inflated air jacket saved him?

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by JER View Post
                                    OT was wearing both a certified safety helmet and a conventional, certified body protector.

                                    Yet you conclude his un- or partially- or eventually-inflated air jacket saved him?
                                    I don't conclude anything.
                                    I'm just repeating what the man himself said.

                                    And having seen a number of falls that were very similar, but the riders did not have air vests and suffered extreme & sometimes fatal injuries, it's a possibility that he's correct.
                                    To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by adamsmom View Post
                                      I don't conclude anything.
                                      I'm just repeating what the man himself said.
                                      Let me quote your own words. Again:

                                      Originally posted by adamsmom View Post
                                      And having seen that fall, I can't find any other reason that he's still alive.
                                      Sounds like a conclusion to me. Just not a very sound one.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by JER View Post
                                        Let me quote your own words. Again:



                                        Sounds like a conclusion to me. Just not a very sound one.
                                        Being a lawyer, I'd disagree with your statement that it's a conclusion. It's in no way a definitive statement.
                                        It's a supposition. Absent other facts, I don't know why he's still alive.

                                        Do you know?

                                        But thanks for quoting my words, because in my advanced age, I'd obviously forgotten what I typed 5 minutes ago.
                                        To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge.

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