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  • Anyone else walk the Redland course?

    SO not in love with the trakhener after the water. I don't think that's a horse friendly question AT ALL and am really debating whether to run XC...
    would welcome other inputs, as well as what track you are planning on taking if you are running Training....
    The big man -- my lost prince

    The little brother, now my main man

  • #2
    yikes... i'm running novice. Did you look at that course at all by chance? And how was the footing around the water?

    good luck with whatever you decide, go with your gut.

    Proud owner of a Spicy mare!!

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    • #3
      I went back and forth a lot and decided to do the Legacy starter instead. Sounds like a good thing. Can you raise your concern with the TD? Or the rider rep, if there is one? (I know a lot of the ULRs are at Fair Hill instead) But unless it's super early on the course, I'd still run, anyway, and if you don't feel comfortable doing it, skip it. At least that way you'll get to do some of the course, even if you do get a TE instead of a W.

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        #4
        sparkle, I don't know how to tell you this, but it's on the novice course too...
        footing at the water is great right now -- best footing on the course actually. HOping for some rain as the top part is hard, believe it or not.

        I WILL talk to the TD about it in the AM.

        Yes, I will probably run at least through the water. Unfortunately the trak is sort of in the fence line to get home. I think that if others are jumping it without issue I will too -- he doesn't have a trak problem...

        but it is not very nice -- at the TOP of a steep hill, freshly dug.
        The big man -- my lost prince

        The little brother, now my main man

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        • #5
          Alrighty, let me preface this by saying that I haven't walked the course. But I'm pretty familiar with Redland. So here's my opinion dear asterix.

          First, I doubt they put something on the course to be mean to competitors or try to create stops. That's just not what course designers are trying to do. Without seeing the jumps in person, here's what I would be thinking ...

          Ok, the horses come through the water where the riders are going to be riding strongly. Then they're going to have to power up this hill. Where their power is going to carry them right over the trakhener.

          Let's remember that your baby horse does NOT have a ditch issue. Smile and KICK.
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          • #6
            Asterix: Please don't think I'm trying to downplay your concerns. By all means talk to the TD about it. Your post just got me thinking about me walking the training course (my first) at Seneca a few years ago.

            I'm meandering along fences 1 - 3. Then BAM! hugest table that I've ever seen. Right hand turn down to a big 'ol half coffin. Continue on and come to a HUGE steeplechase jump. Left hand turn to the water. And it continued on like this. So after I collect myself, I stand there thinking about it. Wondering why the course designer put these huge fly-type fences before the hard questions. Well, duh! He wanted to get us riding forward and aggressively before being faced with the ditches, waters, etc. Genius after I realized what he was doing.
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              #7
              mythical, if I ride it, and it rides well, I'll be the first to say so. But I've walked a zillion training courses, and this does not scream "clever course design" to me.
              As you know, I love the TD dearly, and have nothing but positive feelings about the course designer...
              but let's just say that everything I know about trakheners suggests they ride best when you can ride forward to them.
              It's very hard to do that when it is either at the top of a steep hill or off a bending line up a hill, depending on how you ride it.

              And if it's a good question for Training, trust me, it's a toughie for novice....

              but if it goes well I'll be happy to eat crow on here tomorrow. The baby horse does NOT have a ditch problem and it IS pointing towards home, so hopefully it'll be fine.

              If I pay attention to the PA I should know before I go out -- either it is causing problems or it is not.
              The big man -- my lost prince

              The little brother, now my main man

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              • #8
                I just got home from walking the Training course...and I'm with asterix in not being such a fan of the trakhaner or it's location...and neither me nor my horse have a trakhaner issue...

                it's an awkward place on the course for any fence...so why put a fence that would be a looky fence (it's new, it's airy, etc) in that spot...

                for anyone interested, here's the fence in question - it's coming back up the hill from the frog pond towards the bank
                http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...62c&id=2707231

                also, did anyone look at stadium? It had all fallen over when i got there (as had the port-a-potties by XC...thanks to the wind...) but I'm not-so-excited about the downhill triple...
                ~Drafties Clique~Sprite's Mom~ASB-loving eventer~
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                  #9
                  thanks for the pic, tarheel! What you have to envision is that this is at the top of a VERY steep hill --- THAT'S the problem with it.

                  When I was there stadium was intact -- and the triple is quite downhill. However, triples do tend to back horses off because they are so visually busy when they come around the corner and get an eyeball on the whole line....so use that to your advantage....the "oh, wow, that's a lot of poles" moment is your moment to balance and sort of coffin canter to it......

                  Of course, if you have a super keen horse this will not work so well, but my guys definitely need to process when the line is that busy...
                  The big man -- my lost prince

                  The little brother, now my main man

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by asterix View Post
                    When I was there stadium was intact -- and the triple is quite downhill. However, triples do tend to back horses off because they are so visually busy when they come around the corner and get an eyeball on the whole line....so use that to your advantage....the "oh, wow, that's a lot of poles" moment is your moment to balance and sort of coffin canter to it......

                    Of course, if you have a super keen horse this will not work so well, but my guys definitely need to process when the line is that busy...
                    super-keen does not even begin to describe the enthusiasm the horse I'm bringing is capable of demonstrating there aren't enough poles in that triple to make him bat an eye...so there will be a lot of half-halting going on before we get there!
                    ~Drafties Clique~Sprite's Mom~ASB-loving eventer~
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                      #11
                      oh, well, good luck then!!!
                      I can pretty much COUNT on the big boys to go ....beat...wow, man...that's more poles than I have hooves....beat...

                      Sounds like we are getting some rain, which will be good for SJ and the top of XC.....
                      The big man -- my lost prince

                      The little brother, now my main man

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                      • #12
                        Good luck to everybody competing today. I'll be there almost all day long as groom/photographer. First ride around 8, last ride almost 3, and you can see that I'm up now at 4:45am.

                        I'll keep an eye out for my COTH friends and take photos and cheer you on!

                        (Sorry, no opinions about Traks as I'm a weenie BN person myself.)
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                        • #13
                          well i'm hoping to make the move to training this fall - so this should be a good test for us anyway.. but i THINK i know the big hill especially if it's coming from the pond. Hopefully you guys will post how it rode today so that i'm ready for it tomorrow...

                          Yikes.. this should be fun!
                          Proud owner of a Spicy mare!!

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                          • #14
                            Please, everyone let us know how it went! (You certainly could NOT have more perfect weather for it )

                            I will be especially interested in hearing how that Trak rode for asterix. (Was it latish on the course, at least?)

                            Good luck to all, and we await your reports...
                            "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

                            "It's supposed to be hard...the hard is what makes it great!" (Jimmy Dugan, "A League of Their Own")

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                            • #15
                              Am I reading that pic correctly in that it is also on the BN course?! If so, I think I am very glad that my guy had to scratch...(this would have been his first recognized HT)

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                              • #16
                                The boss is talking to me now, he was walking the novice, and he said that the water/trak thing is NO BIG DEAL. He watched half a dozen horses go through it and it rode great, and he never heard a stop there the whole time he was walking. His point, which I agree with, is that with the trak being on an uphill, you can't mess it up! I also feel like I'd much rather run up to a trak on an uphill approach on a green horse rather than on a downhill, where baby horse can spend the whole approach staring down into the ditch!

                                pharmgirl, I have a feeling the fence is built to remove the log, thus making it an open ditch for BN. Could be wrong.
                                Amanda

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                                • #17
                                  Thanks YB!!
                                  Proud owner of a Spicy mare!!

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                                  • #18
                                    He says its a nice course. He said the training was "soft" but I couldn't tell what he thought of the novice, other than it was "nice." He says sj isn't as flowing as usual, but should ride fine.
                                    Amanda

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                                      #19
                                      Well, I'm here to eat crow. Yb's boss is right, it rides totally fine. I don't think anyone had a problem with it all day. My pony just powered up the hill and jumped it out of stride. I suspect most horses did the same.
                                      I talked to the td in the am and she predicted it would ride just like that. They think it'll be fine for novice too.
                                      It will just be a ditch for bn.

                                      Course was a nice early season t. Hardest question were turning benches at 5. Those rode awkwardly for me (pony not a fan of waving potted trees used to make them skinnies for t). I talked to the jump judge and she said she'd had several runouts to the right and many awkward trips. This is on the novice course numbered separately and I would be very careful here if I were running novice.

                                      Sj doesn't have a great flow but is ok.

                                      I was pleased with the munchkin. No phase was perfect and we both felt a bit rusty but he finished on his dressage score at his second t so I'm pleased!
                                      The big man -- my lost prince

                                      The little brother, now my main man

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                                      • #20
                                        I rode only the beginning of the course with my guy and I thought it rode well, I was also worried about the Trak but like asterix said it rode perfectly fine.
                                        We retired at the drop bank because my horse seemed to think I'd lost my mind when I decided to ask him to do that but this was also his first training.
                                        Chrissy

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