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    XC refusal? You decide.

    So here's a video from a recent event that shows a questionable fence. What do you think? Is it a refusal or not?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzaP1I7ztQ

    It seems like jump judges' opinions vary greatly from event to event. I think it would be amazingly helpful if the USEA produced a short video to be shown at jump judge briefings that outlines the rules and shows examples of "iffy" jumps so that there could be consistency across the board.

    I know we have to welcome anyone who can volunteer as a judge, but some people may not ride or know horses. I think judges would really appreciate the clarity a video presentation would provide. Of course, the USEA is welcome to use my footage!

    #2
    No, definitely not a refusal! Peter agrees.

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      #3
      absolutely not!!!!

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        #4
        She really did slam on the breaks a few strides out. Did she go sideways at that point? It is hard to tell what her feet do when she hits the breaks. I am not a rule guru, so others will have better opinions.

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          #5
          I would not call that a refusal if I were fence judging.
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            #6
            Originally posted by cosmos mom View Post
            I would not call that a refusal if I were fence judging.
            me either no refusal!
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              #7
              please tell me that that jump wasn't penalized.

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                #8
                I have jump judged and I would not call that a refusal. I'd call it a sticky horse and a good rider
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                  #9
                  Heck no!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                    I have jump judged and I would not call that a refusal. I'd call it a sticky horse and a good rider
                    Agreed. Good ride.

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                      #11
                      Nope. Definitely not.

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                        #12
                        Absolutely not. The horse maintained forward progress and went through the flags attached to its rider and that is ALL THAT MATTERS.

                        A good TD will brief fence judges on this and bring up this exact scenario: a horse that gets wiggy, crooked and wants to stop. The judge's job is not to judge the horse's intentions or bravery or obedience, simply if it jumped the jump without coming to a STOP.
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                          #13
                          No refusal IMO and I sure wish I could ride a stopper like that - it was awesome.
                          Originally posted by barka.lounger
                          u get big old crop and bust that nags ass the next time it even slow down.

                          we see u in gp ring in no time.

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                            #14
                            I think you would have to see it from a different angle to be sure. There is one point where the right front looks like it's going sideways - but if you were standing next to the jump I'm not sure it wouldn't look like the horse stepped backwards.

                            My understanding from briefings is if the horse steps back it's a refusal.

                            I do think it was a great ride!

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                              #15
                              As a frequent jump judge at recognized events, no. Forward momentum was never lost, compromised a bit yes, but never lost. Good riding!
                              I do often wonder how those who've never ridden and are new to jump judging are able to make good calls in iffy situations.
                              I also find that the place where I do most of my jumpjudging, those of us who are most knowledgable generally seem to be placed at the jumps where there are the most issues..

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                                #16
                                NO. I thought the rules were horse must stop completely, then go sideways or back up.

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                                  #17
                                  I wanted to add I bet this rider is the type that carries the "rude finger" bat

                                  He/she's definitely giving me confidence for the next time I've got a stopper.
                                  Originally posted by barka.lounger
                                  u get big old crop and bust that nags ass the next time it even slow down.

                                  we see u in gp ring in no time.

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                                    #18
                                    Not a refusal. A looky horse and a good ride.
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                                      #19
                                      Nope, not a refusal based on every briefing I've been in. The trick is to watch the legs of the horse. Good riding by the rider.

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                                        #20
                                        Nope... I wouldn't mark that as a refusal if that came up when I was judging.
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