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  • Show reports and ethics questions

    I just got done reading through the Pine Top Advance thread and all the detailed reports of what happened at the show.

    It's great to know what happened, what went wrong and why the results came out as they did.

    However, I was an out-rider (sans horse...) this past year and we were told not to discuss what happened at the event, esp if it was about a fall or hurt horse/rider. They even went as far as addressing internet chat rooms and bulletin boards.

    Do many events do this... should we abide by these ethical guidelines?

    edited to add: when I say "not discuss the event" I don't mean we couldn't say "omg it rained so much!" or stuff like that, but more if there was a bad occurrence or something tragic we weren't supposed to talk about what we may have heard or seen around the grounds.
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    Fascinating.
    Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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      #3
      Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
      Fascinating.
      are you patronizing me???
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      • #4
        No. You'll know when I patronize you. You'll be laughing and throwing furniture at me at the same time. I simply find it fascinating that events actually have such policies, since it was completely unknown to me, given how openly people talk of such things.
        Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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          oh ok *puts down the ottoman*
          Last edited by Meredith Clark; Mar. 2, 2010, 01:01 AM.
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          • #6
            You can go ahead and throw furniture at me if you want. Everyone else does. As for Fair Hill, I can't say for sure but perhaps the fact that it is Fair Hill has something to do with it. Kinda like "Hey, we need to be classy!". Ya know? Not that they are covering anything up by telling people not to talk but it's just a matter of appearing respectable to the competitors and such.
            Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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            • #7
              How could any event or horse show legally prevent any person from discussing the activities during the competition? We sign no confidentiality agreement, there is no waiver or any law similar to medical practice.

              What are they going to do? Fire you as a volunteer next year?

              It sounds like a REALLY bad PR/media person gave out foolish advice for the disclosure of information of incidents. The only way to forbid folks from talking is to have federal laws against it. I worked when I was on a black program for the Air Force.

              Reed

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              • #8
                I have been a fence judge at Rolex for the past five years, and I don't remember them saying anything along those lines. We weren't supposed to say anything to anyone but officials until the protest time was over....but that's about it.
                --Becky in TX
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                She who throws dirt is losing ground.

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                  Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                  How could any event or horse show legally prevent any person from discussing the activities during the competition? We sign no confidentiality agreement, there is no waiver or any law similar to medical practice.

                  What are they going to do? Fire you as a volunteer next year?

                  Reed
                  It's not a legal issue it's an ethics issue and I have no idea how or if they would enforce it.
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                  • #10
                    But what is unethical about discussing an incident?

                    Reed

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                      But what is unethical about discussing an incident?

                      Reed
                      I just edited my OP to try to make a bit more sense.

                      I think it was more along the lines of if something tragic happened. They didn't want us gossiping or telling people what we may have heard while on the grounds. Like what came over the walkie talkies or stuff like that.

                      Lets say a rider fell and died, they wouldn't want us whipping out our phones and posting it all over twitter... stuff like that I guess.

                      I'm not defending or condemning the idea, it was just something I was thinking about.
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                      • #12
                        I know you are not "for" or "against" so please do not take this personally. I definitely agree about the gossip thing.

                        But again, even by "ethical" standards they broadcast over open radio channels so anybody on the same frequencies can hear. We used to always get cross-talk with construction sites.

                        Maybe the question is to ask, "What is unethical?"

                        Reed

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                          I know you are not "for" or "against" so please do not take this personally. I definitely agree about the gossip thing.

                          But again, even by "ethical" standards they broadcast over open radio channels so anybody on the same frequencies can hear. We used to always get cross-talk with construction sites.

                          Maybe the question is to ask, "What is unethical?"

                          Reed
                          Yea, that's a good point. Also what privacy rights do we have as riders when we compete in such events.
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                          • #14
                            Ok, we DO get a peptalk about how we, as fence judges, are ambassadors of the sport, and we can (and should) answer questions, etc.... but it's not appropriate for us, in a position of fence judge, to make pronouncements for spectators or to be negative about horses or riders. The emphasis was all about how we are, for many folks, the only window into the sport other than what they see--so we should be helpful, informative, positive, and as objective as possible.

                            I really don't recall any info on not discussing it/posting on BBs, etc. after the fact.
                            --Becky in TX
                            Clinic Blogs and Rolex Blogs
                            She who throws dirt is losing ground.

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                            • #15
                              What, as a rider, do you feel you have a right to keep private? For that matter, is there really anything about you that is sensitive enough that pertains solely to the competition that should be kept private?
                              Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                                Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
                                What, as a rider, do you feel you have a right to keep private? For that matter, is there really anything about you that is sensitive enough that pertains solely to the competition that should be kept private?
                                umm.. nothing for me personally but maybe any health information that may be on your arm band, or specific injuries that you may have after a fall or maybe reasons or suspected reasons for a fall or withdraw.

                                not really sure.
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                                • #17
                                  I can see keeping reasons for a withdrawal under your hat since you don't really have to give anyone justification for that (Right?) and there are reasons which are sensitive points of discussion but anything relating to a fall is a matter of public record, impossible to keep private anyway, and is always open to interpretation. Unless you're alone in a forest and nobody is around to see it. Then it's just anyone's guess.
                                  Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                                  • #18
                                    Does eventing allow pseudonyms? (Or is it noms de guerre?)

                                    How does this have to square with the name on your armband?

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                                    • #19
                                      Well, Snoopy competes under the name "Cletus Van Damme" so I guess nobody is really looking too closely when everyone in the modern world can easily recognize who he really is. Do they even check armbands? Other than looking to see if you're actually wearing one?
                                      Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                                        Maybe the question is to ask, "What is unethical?"
                                        Reed, I'm thinking for me personally "unethical" might be along the lines of sitting at my jump and having event "management" having a discussion behind me about things they probably would prefer not become public (and yet I am sitting there 10-15' away and overhear the conversation.)

                                        Maybe up-close photos taken with your cell phone of a horse in dire straits up-close because you are part of show "management" (jump judge for example...)

                                        Sharing publicly things that were disclosed in confidence.

                                        On the radio... yup probably fair game as it is open air broadcast.

                                        No confidentiality agreement signed for sure but again, for me, can I sleep at night with what I chose to talk about that may not have been intended for public consumption?? (And yes, that will be different for different people.)
                                        You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something… S. Jobs

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