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Roberto for eventers ???

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  • Roberto for eventers ???

    Do any (many?) of you have Roberto close in your eventers, doesn't matter where.

    I've been working with the Chronicle's Horses in Sport on jumps racing horses, and the number of winners who have Roberto lines is staggering. One very productive nick seems to be using Darby Dan's His Majesty with Darby Dan's Roberto. I've found lots of Dynaformer, Kris S, Red Ransom and Lear Fan. Not so many direct Roberto daughters.

    Now I'm wondering if Roberto line horses are (or should be) as prevalent in eventing as they are in chasing.

    Might be biased, since I have a double Roberto mare that is going to start me eventing.
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  • #2
    We have a Kris S. son who is awesome! He is my hubby's BN event horse.

    Don't know if this is a Roberto thing, or a Kris S. thing (or both), but he likes to fight you a bit under saddle. He's never going to be very polished in dressage, I'm afraid to say!
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    • #3
      One of my recent retraining projects, now moved on to a new home, is tail male Kissin Kris - Kris S - Roberto. He has the Best. Brain. Ever. 'Was decent on the track too til he fractured a sesamoid (from which he made a full recovery post surgery.)


      • #4
        Vernon is by Lear Fan.

        I would do just about anything to have another horse with breeding like him. Fantastic brain, super athletic.


        • #5
          This is my SWB/TB mare's dam. She put three sporthorse babies on the ground, all of which are eventers. Oldest is 7 and running training level. NancyM on this forum knows the mare, and said she was a very tough cookie!


          The original discussion had been more around her sire, Star de Naskra, but some interesting comments about how the mare's personality differed from a local SdN stallion owned by Nancy M.

          And I know your mare, Grace and Favour...she was a lovely looking mare, so well bred, and won $100,000 or so at the track. [snip]

          Grace and Favour was a VERY TOUGH mare, tough psychologically. I think that this was why she was sold at the sale, live cover with her was very difficult, dangerous even, for handlers and the stallion. Worked out OK for Angel, she AI's everything. I saw several of her offspring, the TB (a Silver Fox) she was carrying when Angel bought her, and several of the WB cross foals (probably yours) for the time that Angel had her. They were all very TOUGH horses, just like mom. [snip] The very "tough" disposition is well suited for racing, more difficult to deal with as a show prospect. I haven't met a lot of other Star de Naskras, other than my own, but suspect that this attitude with Grace and Favour came from her dam's line, not from Star de Naskra.
          Last edited by Ibex; Feb. 19, 2010, 08:13 PM. Reason: snipped for brevity!
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          • Original Poster

            Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
            Vernon is by Lear Fan.

            I would do just about anything to have another horse with breeding like him. Fantastic brain, super athletic.
            Marcy is one generation out from Vernon. She is by a Lear Fan son, out of a mare whose tail male grandsire was Alleged. She is one of the sweetest horses I've ever met. Lots of races and after all of them--I think she didn't really try very hard--she has, to quote the vet, perfect joints at ten. We radiographed all of them. He was incredibly impressed with her beauty and temperament.

            She is the dam of a filly by Triple Twist who inherited her lovely head and neck.

            She and I will learn to event together.
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            • #7
              ME! Mister's dam is Roberto Babe, sired by Roberto. He has evented through Prelim and he is one of the boldest horses I've ridden XC. He gave me a lot of confidence over fences, and he is smart enough to when to stop (when I really screw up!). Very willing, and eager to please. His sire is Alleged, who I have also heard sired good sport TBs.

              Here is a pic from a Prelim a couple years ago:
              Leap, and the net will appear


              • #8
                There's an older former-steeplechaser at our farm that is by Roberto; he hunted (staff) for years afterward. He's a little compact, chunky sort of horse, but cat-like and athletic...and with an endless supply of "GO!" He never evented (I don't think he'd do dressage, mentally!), but he was fabulous cross-country.

                I'm currently working with a 5 y/o Sky Classic gelding out of a Lear Fan mare. He's also pretty athletic, great gallop, will make a solid event horse someday. Roberto in the pedigree is definitely something I like to see!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WNT View Post
                  ME! Mister's dam is Roberto Babe, sired by Roberto. He has evented through Prelim and he is one of the boldest horses I've ridden XC. He gave me a lot of confidence over fences, and he is smart enough to when to stop (when I really screw up!). Very willing, and eager to please. His sire is Alleged, who I have also heard sired good sport TBs.

                  Here is a pic from a Prelim a couple years ago:
                  Ooooo.....I like the sound of THAT! Vernon's dam is by Alleged, so I'm thinking you can't go wrong with some form of that. Your guy is good looking!

                  AJ, your description of the hunt horse is pretty much exactly like I'd describe Vernon. He's not a big or lanky guy (16h and half an inch), but he's a little chunk of a horse with a massive gas pedal! And he's a bit of a freak with how handy and quick he can be (Even though we can't canter over a pole to save our lives ).

                  I found out not too long ago that Vernon is from either Lear Fan's last crop or next to last crop. So sad. But I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for, umm, neices and nephews!


                  • #10
                    My best friends event horse has Roberto in his pedigree.


                    He has evented through training level, and is very athletic at jumping. If he was younger, he could no doubt go higher. His dressage is his downfall, and he does have a pretty snarky attitude, but he's a neat guy!


                    • #11
                      I bought a young Roberto grandson a few years back. On his other side, he had Ambiorix way up closer than you'll ever see in a horse his age.

                      He could jump a line of 5' fences and was a nice mover. very handsome, too.


                      Dumbest. Horse. Ever.

                      He was unbelievably unintelligent. A total moron. Did the stupidest things I've ever seen any horse do. Repeatedly.

                      Because progress was not possible with this horse -- every day was a brand new day! -- I found a home for him where a brain wasn't necessary.


                      • #12
                        Strange, but I just realized... she just bought a new guy off of me, and he has Roberto too! VERY athletic, and a great mind. If she has the desire, he will no doubt do upper level eventing with her.

                        Here he is:


                        • #13
                          Huh, I just looked Mister up on Equineline (hadn't used it before) and I found out he won a race! I never knew that. Whaddaya know!

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                          Leap, and the net will appear


                          • #14
                            My prelim horse is a Roberto granddaughter, by a Roberto son, and I just love her! Great brain, terrific temperment, almost too smart, wicked athletic, is my kid's babysitter now, and I wouldn't trade her for the world. Her weak point was her dressage. She's a big mare, 16.3, and has a massive amount of bone, which I think she got from the dam's side. Can't say enough nice things about her, really.

                            ETA: I liked mare #1 so much, I have ended up with 2 more Roberto bred mares and am breeding my 2 broodies to a Roberto bred stud (including my Fleetwood Mac mare - that should be interesting!). Both mares I liked before knowing the breeding, so knowing they were Robertos (g'daughters) was just the icing!
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                            • Original Poster

                              Most people who have posted have mentioned dressage being the weak point with their Roberto line horses. Both Halo and Roberto (Hail To Reason) have always been noteworthy for temperament issues (in Males).

                              I'm thinking that a Roberto crossed with a WB (I'm thinking here particularly of Stiletto for mares) would be a great event line. I thought about bidding on a breeding to the dressage Trak Apache for Marcy, but I'm too danged old to breed. They would have been a lovely match, since they are so similar phenotypically. SIGH!
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                              • #16
                                i would not say that dressage is going to be a major issue with Vernon. He has a fantastic brain and wants to be obedient and willing. He can be naughty, but I think he is at his naughtiest when he has been forced to do too much dressage (he prefers a day or two in the ring, a day or two or three hacking, and a day or two jumping. Otherwise he gets BORED).

                                He will never be a worldbeater (he does have a fantastic, worldbeater canter, though) in the movement department, but I think he will be a horse you can make up points on for being dead accurate and precise on.


                                • #17
                                  Are you talking about Stiletto the Trakehner?

                                  If Stiletto passes on the Martini brain, it might be enough to offset a potential case of the Roberto stupids (after my experience, I learned the line was known for an occasional lack of brainpower -- Dynaformer is kind of a dope).

                                  I had a Martini son (one of his early foals) and he was one of the most intelligent equines I've ever known. A bit funky in the conformation department (pigeon toes and odd feet, not unusual in this line) but he functioned very well and was a pleasure to have in the barn. He wasn't UL eventing material, however. (He was a 6-figure show hunter.)


                                  • Original Poster

                                    Yup. Stiletto the Trakehner. He's gorgeous, multi-talented, and has done it all.

                                    After TBs, Trakehners seem to me to be the best choice for event breeding for the rest of us (those who aren't looking for Badminton horses) using NA stallions. They don't treat eventing as a second rate discipline. There are folks out there who think that event horses are the ones who can't do dressage and show jumping well. The Trak people actually breed FOR event horses. Probably the only German registry that does as a matter of course.
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                                    • #19
                                      We imported a super event gelding from Ireland that was by the American bred Naheez (who was exported to Ireland). Naheez was a grandson of Roberto on top & Arts and Letters below and had a bunch of offspring chasing in Ireland. Our was super talented but a very difficult ride.
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                                      • #20
                                        My mare's dam is by Kris S. She is incredibly athletic, and almost too smart for her own good.