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  • AT will not appeal

    From the FEI website:

    Case of abuse at CCI4* Lexington (USA): Amy Tryon accepts the decision of FEI Tribunal

    The FEI has received official notification of Amy Tryon’s acceptance of FEI Tribunal’s decision and waiving her right to appeal. Consequently, Amy Tryon’s suspension commences immediately and will run from 20 July through 19 September 2007 inclusive.
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    Last edited by nature; Jul. 22, 2007, 04:26 PM. Reason: Not Appeal should be in title

  • #2
    Rebecca Farm??

    So can she run in USEA events? Will she move her horses to the Adv. division at Rebecca next week?

    I know it won't be Rebecca to toss her out of the event since Rebecca B. was LS owner and seemed to support Amy throughout.

    PS What does she have to appeal? She is probably counting her blessings on the outcome from FEI... the rest of the event world (sadly) will not help out a fellow eventer who is in such a rough place.

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    • #3
      Appeal? Are you KIDDING me??????????? She has suspension for only 2 freaking months. Sure seems like a token slap on the wrist to me.

      Take a look at Mara Dean yesterday.....Nicky Henley, in 1st place, at the WORLD GAMES, took a funny step and Mara PULLED UP on cross country.....Gosh, I wonder how she ever DID that....Wasn't the horse "locked on" to the next jump?? Isn't it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to pull up an Advanced level event horse??


      I certainly hope you are reading my sarcasm.............
      Proud and achy member of the Eventing Grannies clique.

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      • #4
        The short suspension was in exchange for not appealing. Basically it's a plea bargain...they still go through the official motions, giving the rider the 30 days to decide as they are allowed per the rules, but...it was already decided. Because a harsher suspension would not withstand appeal, based on precedent. If she had gotten 6 months and gone to CAS they would have tossed it out, and she probably would have come out of there with at most 2-3 months anyway. And CAS might have even thrown out the entire suspension. So if she's going to wind up with about the same penalty anyway, and possibly less, what would be gained by the FEI? A pat on the back from the mass public for throwing the book at her knowing it's going to get overturned whilst they point the finger at CAS, the bad guy? It's better (for The Sport) to NOT have this anywhere near CAS--a tribunal of non-equestrian arbitrators--to begin with. It's not a bad thing to have to go all the way back to Ward v. FEI to find a CAS benchmark.

        Also don't forget that she already voluntarily withdrew from Luhmühlen, so that is basically "time served" and that is normally taken into account as well. And she also withdrew from the Hong Kong test which she wasn't obliged to do (she could have taken the full 30 days to waive right to appeal and trotted off to Hong Kong entirely within the rules, which of course would not have been appreciated by many). And no she can't compete at USEF events either (unless the USEF has worked a deal on this as well ); an FEI suspension is a suspension from not only FEI events but from any events under the jurisdiction of any NF which is a member of the FEI.
        Last edited by Ellie K; Jul. 22, 2007, 09:45 PM.
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        • #5
          Now Mara may have done that despite AT’s fiasco. However, one can’t help but wonder if Mara possibly learned a little from AT’s mistake. As terrible as Amy’s situation was, at least something positive may have resulted. Like others have posted and mentioned …

          When in doubt, pull up.

          I think a lot more people will be having this on there minds now, which is a good thing!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RiverBendPol View Post
            Take a look at Mara Dean yesterday.....Nicky Henley, in 1st place, at the WORLD GAMES, .

            urm - There is actually a little bit of "world" surrounding the Pan American Area.... You meant the "Pan American Games"
            I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
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            • #7
              [QUOTE=RiverBendPol;2577600]Appeal? Are you KIDDING me??????????? She has suspension for only 2 freaking months. Sure seems like a token slap on the wrist to me.
              QUOTE]


              Amen!!!

              Her decision not to appeal is the ONLY "logical" statement regarding this whole farce.

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              • #8
                Nonsense. This is not a token punishment. Any suspension is significant, will remain w/ the rider or trainer's record for the rest of their career. If you knew anything at all about the horse business, you can easily find out information on suspensions that happen to trainers, riders and owners in the horse racing field. 60 days is a very significant suspension period in this business and results in a significant loss of income, and it carries over to all of the racetracks. In the racing world you have to list any kind of suspension on your application for licensure in any state or country every time you apply or re-apply for an owner's, trainer's, riders/drivers license. Under no circumstances I can imagine would this be considered a "slap on the wrist". It's a significant penalty which I personally feel is unwarranted given the uncertainty, the ambiguousness, the gray areas as attested to in the hearing. In the racing world a definitive positive test with a seriously regarded illegal substance would warrant such a suspension, or a multiplicy of repeated infractions such as consistent positive tests, showing a pattern of attempting to cheat. This is not nearly approaching that standard.
                These posts that are constantly trying to upbraid the FEI, the USEF, and other extremely knowledgeable and experienced people are not amusing. They are quite ignorant. If you do not know what you are talking about, especially on the world equestrian level, shut up. You do tremendous damage to the sport and to American equestrians competing at the international level, far more than you know and way beyond what happened that day.
                JMO!!!
                Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                  Nonsense. This is not a token punishment. Any suspension is significant, will remain w/ the rider or trainer's record for the rest of their career. If you knew anything at all about the horse business, you can easily find out information on suspensions that happen to trainers, riders and owners in the horse racing field. 60 days is a very significant suspension period in this business and results in a significant loss of income, and it carries over to all of the racetracks. In the racing world you have to list any kind of suspension on your application for licensure in any state or country every time you apply or re-apply for an owner's, trainer's, riders/drivers license. Under no circumstances I can imagine would this be considered a "slap on the wrist". It's a significant penalty which I personally feel is unwarranted given the uncertainty, the ambiguousness, the gray areas as attested to in the hearing. In the racing world a definitive positive test with a seriously regarded illegal substance would warrant such a suspension, or a multiplicy of repeated infractions such as consistent positive tests, showing a pattern of attempting to cheat. This is not nearly approaching that standard.
                  These posts that are constantly trying to upbraid the FEI, the USEF, and other extremely knowledgeable and experienced people are not amusing. They are quite ignorant. If you do not know what you are talking about, especially on the world equestrian level, shut up. You do tremendous damage to the sport and to American equestrians competing at the international level, far more than you know and way beyond what happened that day.
                  JMO!!!

                  Although somewhat harshly written towards other on this board, I fully agree witht the point you are making!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                    Nonsense. This is not a token punishment. Any suspension is significant, will remain w/ the rider or trainer's record for the rest of their career. If you knew anything at all about the horse business, you can easily find out information on suspensions that happen to trainers, riders and owners in the horse racing field. 60 days is a very significant suspension period in this business and results in a significant loss of income, and it carries over to all of the racetracks. In the racing world you have to list any kind of suspension on your application for licensure in any state or country every time you apply or re-apply for an owner's, trainer's, riders/drivers license. Under no circumstances I can imagine would this be considered a "slap on the wrist". It's a significant penalty which I personally feel is unwarranted given the uncertainty, the ambiguousness, the gray areas as attested to in the hearing. In the racing world a definitive positive test with a seriously regarded illegal substance would warrant such a suspension, or a multiplicy of repeated infractions such as consistent positive tests, showing a pattern of attempting to cheat. This is not nearly approaching that standard.
                    These posts that are constantly trying to upbraid the FEI, the USEF, and other extremely knowledgeable and experienced people are not amusing. They are quite ignorant. If you do not know what you are talking about, especially on the world equestrian level, shut up. You do tremendous damage to the sport and to American equestrians competing at the international level, far more than you know and way beyond what happened that day.
                    JMO!!!
                    First of all, we are talking about showing, not racing.

                    Second of all, nobody here posting on this forum could possibly, in their wildest nightmares, come close to doing the damage to "American equestrians" and to the use of "horsemanship" as was once implied in the word "eventing" than Amy Tryon and her cohort of supporters in all of this.

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                    • #11
                      Excellent points retrendeventer.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HotIITrot View Post
                        Now Mara may have done that despite AT’s fiasco. However, one can’t help but wonder if Mara possibly learned a little from AT’s mistake. As terrible as Amy’s situation was, at least something positive may have resulted. Like others have posted and mentioned …

                        When in doubt, pull up.

                        I think a lot more people will be having this on there minds now, which is a good thing!
                        Sorry - see my new thread on this. This post is insulting to Mara. She would have pulled up whether the FEI had given AT a life sentence or a bunch of roses and a million dollar check......

                        Would you like to ask Mara that question to her face?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by oreo View Post
                          Sorry - see my new thread on this. This post is insulting to Mara. She would have pulled up whether the FEI had given AT a life sentence or a bunch of roses and a million dollar check......

                          Would you like to ask Mara that question to her face?
                          I've been stayin' outta this whole mess, and I still will, except that I'd like to say I don't see how this is insulting to Mara. The tragedy, controversy, anger, etc, etc, surrounding AT cannot help but impact other riders, for better or for worse. OF COURSE pulling up at the first sign of injury is more at the top of other riders' minds now. Heck, it's more at the top of MY mind--if I were competing now, which I'm not, I would certainly be more likely to stop the first time my horse took a wobbly step than I would have been to do the same this time last year. It doesn't mean Mara is only trying to avoid being tarred and feathered--it means she is possibly learning from others' mistakes to be better at what she does, which is what we all should do. If an accident can put safety in the forefront and prevent other accidents, it makes it less terrible, not more. At least there's a salvageable bit of a lesson in it, right?
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                          • #14
                            I think everyone should keep in mind that this decision is more punishment than your local criminal court is going to give the most heinous animal abuser.

                            The horse was injured and was euthanized. The rider didn't pull up when she should have. It was a mistake, and everyone recognizes that it was a mistake.

                            Every horse owner makes such mistakes. And often the horse dies because of it. Just a wait and see approach to calling the vet on a colic can result in the horse dying - because we didn't recognize the danger in time. We all know of cases like that. A puncture wound gone bad. Pasture accident that could have been avoided in hindsight.

                            Whether one is in the spotlight or not - that doesn't matter to me. I make a distinction between AT's mistake and someone who commits acts intentionally and with malice. So does the FEI.

                            And our legal system does too - she would never have even been accused of animal abuse in our legal system.

                            The incident was recognized for what it was, and AT was admonished. This does affect her and her reputation.

                            If you want to see a miscarriage of justice, go to any courtroom and watch real criminals walk out with not even a slap on the wrist. Torturing puppies? Maybe 30 days; suspended. Lighting a dog on fire? 30 days; suspended; 500$ fine. Poisoning the neighborhood dogs? 60 days; suspended.

                            Starving a herd of horses, not treating broken bones, dead horses laying around? 6 months, 4 suspended; 1000$ fine.

                            I could go on....

                            Save your anger for real animal abuse and leave AT alone.
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                            Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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                            • #15
                              Mara did not "Learn" anything from Amy. Mara (and I do know her personally) is an incredible horseperson and an amazing rider and I do not put her and Amy in the same league at all. She has more talent in her little finger. She has just had some rough luck, but I can assure you her horse ALWAYS comes first....


                              Originally posted by HotIITrot View Post
                              Now Mara may have done that despite AT’s fiasco. However, one can’t help but wonder if Mara possibly learned a little from AT’s mistake. As terrible as Amy’s situation was, at least something positive may have resulted. Like others have posted and mentioned …

                              When in doubt, pull up.

                              I think a lot more people will be having this on there minds now, which is a good thing!
                              "A little less chit-chat a little more pitter-pat"

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by BigRuss1996 View Post
                                Mara did not "Learn" anything from Amy. Mara (and I do know her personally) is an incredible horseperson and an amazing rider and I do not put her and Amy in the same league at all. She has more talent in her little finger. She has just had some rough luck, but I can assure you her horse ALWAYS comes first....
                                Bingo.
                                Proud and achy member of the Eventing Grannies clique.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by J Swan View Post
                                  I think everyone should keep in mind that this decision is more punishment than your local criminal court is going to give the most heinous animal abuser.

                                  The horse was injured and was euthanized. The rider didn't pull up when she should have. It was a mistake, and everyone recognizes that it was a mistake.

                                  Every horse owner makes such mistakes. And often the horse dies because of it. Just a wait and see approach to calling the vet on a colic can result in the horse dying - because we didn't recognize the danger in time. We all know of cases like that. A puncture wound gone bad. Pasture accident that could have been avoided in hindsight.

                                  Whether one is in the spotlight or not - that doesn't matter to me. I make a distinction between AT's mistake and someone who commits acts intentionally and with malice. So does the FEI.

                                  And our legal system does too - she would never have even been accused of animal abuse in our legal system.

                                  The incident was recognized for what it was, and AT was admonished. This does affect her and her reputation.

                                  If you want to see a miscarriage of justice, go to any courtroom and watch real criminals walk out with not even a slap on the wrist. Torturing puppies? Maybe 30 days; suspended. Lighting a dog on fire? 30 days; suspended; 500$ fine. Poisoning the neighborhood dogs? 60 days; suspended.

                                  Starving a herd of horses, not treating broken bones, dead horses laying around? 6 months, 4 suspended; 1000$ fine.

                                  I could go on....

                                  Save your anger for real animal abuse and leave AT alone.

                                  Amen! Thank you Swan, for bringing everyone back to the REAL world! And let's not forget... AT feels extreme REMORSE for her action. Her partner... her friend... paid dearly for her mistake... and this is a higher punishment than any court could dole out.
                                  If you always do what you've always done- you'll always get what you've always gotten.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by bounce View Post
                                    Amen! Thank you Swan, for bringing everyone back to the REAL world! And let's not forget... AT feels extreme REMORSE for her action. Her partner... her friend... paid dearly for her mistake... and this is a higher punishment than any court could dole out.
                                    Which mistake are you talking about? The one where she didn't immediately pull up?. The one where he broke to a trot and she pushed him back to the canter? The one where he broke to a trot the second time and she again pushed him back into a canter? The one where she turned the corner towards the final fence? The one where she used an opening rein to straighten him towards the fence? The clucking sound she made (clearly audible on the DVD) to urge him over the final fence? It wasn't just one mistake it was several critical errors in judgement. A mistake is what I make when I try to spell without spell check.

                                    As far as sympathy? As I said before her expecting sympathy is very close the the classic example of Chutzpah and this time I am including reference links since some people took exception to the example last time.

                                    http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/lis.../msg00074.html
                                    http://www.jlaw.com/Commentary/SupremeChutzpah.html
                                    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/02/op...rtner=USERLAND
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                                    • #19
                                      by retreadeventer:
                                      Nonsense. This is not a token punishment. Any suspension is significant, will remain w/ the rider or trainer's record for the rest of their career. If you knew anything at all about the horse business, you can easily find out information on suspensions that happen to trainers, riders and owners in the horse racing field. 60 days is a very significant suspension period in this business and results in a significant loss of income, and it carries over to all of the racetracks. In the racing world you have to list any kind of suspension on your application for licensure in any state or country every time you apply or re-apply for an owner's, trainer's, riders/drivers license. Under no circumstances I can imagine would this be considered a "slap on the wrist".
                                      The main reason I consider this a "slap on the wrist" is three-fold.

                                      First: The suspension given is two months, occurring in the one time of the year that has few, if any, major events happening. She'll be right back eventing just in time for the big winter season.

                                      Second: Since this is showing, not racing, the suspension will stay on the FEI site for one year. After that it will disappear. Trainers need no licensure so no one to report it to.

                                      Third: It may sound paranoid and "conspiracy theorist in tone" but I will never be convinced that the USEF BOGs and Amy Tryon and her owners did not get together as soon as they saw which way the wind was blowing and hurriedly make plans to get she and Poggio qualified for the Olympics, prior to her suspension, just in case it was for longer than they wanted.

                                      You just wait and see. I would bet a thousand to one that she will be a member of our Olympic team next year. The USEF will ignore any public sentiment and just place her right in. Why else would they allow her to go ahead and compete in USEF competitions, knowing that she had been disqualified for abuse at Rolex and was awaiting further censure? They couldn't be sure that she would be able to compete at any other qualifiers over the winter/spring 2007-8 (Oh ye of little faith!) so she ran Poggio at back-to-back competitions, including a cross-country trip, just so they would be able to say "but see, she IS qualified for the Olympics already".

                                      I watched her run him that way right after Rolex and thought, " Yeah, she sure puts her horses' welfare first, all the time. She learned a lot from losing Le Samurai. She's just lucky that Poggio didn't break down from running back to back events. She rolled the dice again and won that time. Again, it was the horse that had to take the risk.
                                      Last edited by arnika; Jul. 23, 2007, 09:39 AM.
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                                      • #20
                                        Ellie K- what precedent are your referring to (in terms of saying a harsher punishment would not have stood up)? I assume the information on formally handed down sanctions would be public so if you could explain that, I would really appreciate it.
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