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  • Area II Training move up Spring

    Any suggestions on a good training move up (AII) for the Spring? Here's what I gathered from the omnibus but wanted your thoughts as well...

    CDCTA - good move up
    Plantation - early season course
    Redland - early season course
    Loudoun - solid
    MCTA - inviting

    I'm not sure if/when it will happen but wanted to see what my options were.


  • #2
    I'd say redland is definitely inviting. MCTA would be a good choice too - pretty straight forward as well. The Trakhaner at MCTA rides very well...the 2 fences that I was a bit worried about last year were a good sized white table that was set way off by itself (we have issues when we have a very long approach to a single fence) and a corner near the water - however, these 2 fences are now living at AOPF (along with several of the other fences from the training course) until they go back to Shawan when it's time to set the course...

    ...so if you wanted to school a good chunk of the training fences, you could bring Q over to school before the fences go away in early April...

    If for some reason your move up got delayed until summer, I've found Surefire to be a good move up course (used it twice as a move up for 2 different horses)
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    • #3
      Loudoun is usually a lovely course, with almost no terrain and quite inviting - that would be my pick since their SJ is in a great arena and the turf is usually very good galloping. It may be slightly bigger than some of the others, but it tends toward tables and rolltops with wide faces that jump quite well. MCTA is a very well built course, though in the past some of the their training courses have been quite stiff. Surefire's training is pretty small though there is a wee bit of terrain there that can make it a bit harder. I do not love their show jump, however, and think it's on the tougher side at all the levels.


      • #4
        Loudon would be my first choice. And you've also had good luck with VA too
        MCTA is good but on the tougher side with lots of 'stuff'.
        Redlands, I didn't do tr there but I can't imagine it being that flowing with a longer course. I did like the bn though.
        Also, take a look at Fair hill.
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        • #5
          come to NC!

          Depending how far south you want to travel, the Training course at the Ark (Feb. 27-28) has been redone this year to be very inviting for a first spring outing--last year's most difficult questions (the ditch/bank, double steps down, and up bank combo out of the water) have been REMOVED from the course. There very few terrain questions and greatly improved footing from years past. We are also offering PT and TN divisions for riders who aren't quite sure they're ready to move all the way up so early in the year.

          Good luck with your move up!

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          • Original Poster

            Originally posted by lecoeurtriste View Post
            Depending how far south you want to travel, the Training course at the Ark (Feb. 27-28) has been redone this year to be very inviting for a first spring outing--last year's most difficult questions (the ditch/bank, double steps down, and up bank combo out of the water) have been REMOVED from the course. There very few terrain questions and greatly improved footing from years past. We are also offering PT and TN divisions for riders who aren't quite sure they're ready to move all the way up so early in the year.

            Good luck with your move up!

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            Thanks but we most definitely will not be ready by then

            My goal is to hit Novice at Southern Pines I and Morven and see how it goes from there... also need to get out to XC once.


            • #7
              I'm shooting for MCTA to be my move up from Novice to Training, after going Novice at Morven and Redland Hunt.
              I've heard about the same opinion of MCTA's course as what people are voicing here but I picked it over Redland Hunt because I don't think Redland's course flows very well and some of the combinations in their Training course were awkward (at least when I last rode it).
              Also the only real issue my horse has with XC is water... but maybe I'll go over to AOPF and school some of the jumps anyways

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              • #8
                I personally love the plantation xc for a move up, thought not the sj, but that is in part because I know the course well. There is some terrain, but the course is galloping and inviting. However, sj is typically on terrain and grass and quite difficult, so if you have any sj issues, would not recommend it.
                OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!


                • #9
                  I am planning on doing Training at CDCTA (it's not our move up, but it will be only our 3rd ever) because I have heard that it is on the easier side.

                  I did Training at Morven last October and it was HARD for my first time ever (lots of maxed out stuff), but it rode really, really well. I don't know if Loudoun will have the same course or not.


                  • Original Poster

                    I'm not so worried about maxed tables, rolltops, etc., more how technical or big the water/bank/ditch stuff is

                    Hope that helps and thanks for all the suggestions so far!


                    • #11
                      Southern Pines HT. The footing is ALWAYS excellent and the Training level course is completely fair. There isn't an open ditch and the trekhener is sandwiched in between the novice and prelim obstacle so makes a runout difficult.

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                      • #12
                        I've ridden multiple horses over the past years at all the events mentioned except CDCTA.
                        I think it would be smart to move up at a course you've already ridden Novice over - and of course since you walked your Novice courses there you should be familiar with the Training courses (I always peek at the next level up!).
                        I would not move up at Plantation until the June event, I think. April and May are hefty. I thought the training last year at MCTA was also pretty healthy -- the footing was deep and the jumps were big. Fair Hill has probably one of the most difficult water combinations for training - last year we had to jump a coop that hid the drop in, two long strides to the drop (I got 3), canter thru pond, out on an angle to another coop or rolltop or something - I would not consider that "easy". Then one easy jump across the field, and a skinny hanging log to the double down drops. Those were not easy jumps by any means.
                        Footing in early spring will change those levels! By the time you get to a jump that was on the big side and the footing is gone on takeoff, it's REALLY big.
                        I love Flora Lea for a move up but again it is over a farm and can be a little trappy. Probably like Redlands. Difficult Run can be a good move up - I have heard. It is especially good bec. you can school it, too.
                        What about Waredaca? I have always thought their courses were fair but I have not been able to ride over a course for a while. Loch Moy in the summer will be set up for move ups -- the first event is top of the level, and the next event the following week is bottom of the level. Like, a hard Novice and easy Training. That makes a lot of sense.
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                        • #13
                          I moved two horses up to Training at Loudoun last spring. Good course for a move up. A bit softer than the course they used at Morven. The ditch for the half coffin is on the bigger side. You also run down a hill to an angled two stride. But I think it was number seperate if you want to make it easier. Don't remember anything being on the big side.

                          MCTA is an inviting course. Can't really see the ditch under the trakhener. Easy water. Nothing trappy or on hard approches. I haven't been to Redlands in years. Remember that getting to some of the jumps was a little akward. Fair Hill's courses are all good for move ups. You never really know what to expect at Waredaca. It can be on the easier side or the Training Olympics!

                          Sorry if there is any misspelling, grammer errors. Coffee hasn't set in yet!


                          • #14
                            I have a new to Training horse and I'm not planning on taking him to Redland -- I love the people there but honestly half the time (no joke) the footing is so awful they remove the back half of the course or scale it way back.
                            I agree with others that MCTA is really nice -- the deep footing there last year was not their fault -- it can be large, though! It also incorporates the giant hill on the back of the course so if fitness is an issue, beware....

                            Morven spring is usually soft, unlike the T course this fall at Morven.

                            The Fair Hill courses can be a bit all over the map -- I've run both soft and tough Trainings there.

                            Waredaca in June (I board there, so I've seen lots of their courses) is a very nice moveup if you wait that long. In October, sure, it's tough, but June is usually a great inviting T course -- I've moved two horses up at that HT.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by inquisitive View Post
                              I'm not so worried about maxed tables, rolltops, etc., more how technical or big the water/bank/ditch stuff is
                              At Morven, the bank was a double. You jumped up, one stride to another up, then a bending 3 to a coop on top. It rode well, but my guy got a little backed off by the double up concept (first time he had seen that). The water was easy: jump, one stride to the water, splash through (it was shallow), one stride to another jump. The coffin was probably one of the tougher jumps. There was a big log in, two strides to a ditch (we did more because Connor was STARING hard at to HUGE ditch ), the another log out. This is C of the coffin


                              • #16
                                I'm a big fan for move ups at Redland. I find that the course usually asks a good many of the training questions, but a little smaller...closer to novice size, but throws in some solid but inviting training sized galloping fences. The show jumping is usually left on the smaller, more inviting side, too (which is good, since poor Redland is often on the muddy side). It's a nice, low key event and we often try to make it our first event of the year for horses or riders who don't go south. The only real problem with it is that they have ridiculously bad luck there with the weather. It can be a mud bog. Just the luck of the draw.

                                Loudoun/Morven is solid but inviting, and show jumping IS nice since it is in the ring.

                                I moved my young horse up to training at MCTA last year. Show jumping was HUGE (and this is my weak link), and the xc was solid and most of the fences were up to height (but inviting). My guy stormed around it like an old pro, but I've ridden a lot of horses at training (and been the one to move them up), I've ridden around prelim, and this horse is probably the bravest, boldest, most athletic horse I've ever been blessed to sit on, so big wasn't an issue (our last school at home, the boss had to keep reminding himself that he was helping me school a horse moving up to training, NOT prelim).

                                I think my pick would be Redland, especially if you'll get a few goes before hand, but Loudoun wouldn't be that bad either. If you do novice at Morven, you'll be able to walk around the training and get a good idea as to what you'll see at Loudoun.


                                • Original Poster

                                  Thanks everyone, you have been so helpful!

                                  My H/J trainer obviously doesn't know the courses and the eventing trainer I get to once a month is in FL til May probably

                                  Tarheel, I will probably take you up on that offer, maybe between SPI and Morven or after Morven


                                  • #18
                                    Another option, though technically in summer, is MDHT II. Last year it was tagged as a move-up course -- tough but fair. I ran novice at MDHT I and moved up to training the next weekend at II. The courses ran along the same track so we already had a feel for the flow of the course. The stadium, though, was another (maxed out) beast entirely!

                                    I board at the farm that hosts Redland HT, and it is a very fair early season course, though mostly portables for what that's worth. The majority of problems on last year's training course happened at the bank (jump up, jump a coop on top of the bank and canter down a small slope on other side). I suspect the course this year will be similar.


                                    • #19
                                      CDCTA - good move up
                                      Plantation - early season course
                                      Redland - early season course
                                      Loudoun - solid
                                      MCTA - inviting

                                      I haven't done Plantation in like 6 years, and most of the others it's been a couple, but of the remaining 4, I think MCTA can be the stiffest, maybe followed by Loudoun.

                                      Redlands always seems really small, which is good for moving up, but between the (usually muddy) footing and the twisty nature of the course, it's hard to get much rhythm (it reminds me of Difficult Run in that sense, if you've ever ridden there).

                                      CDCTA is a lot bigger but simple. I did their fall event which was billed as "test of readiness for the next level" and it was mostly just big portables, not a lot of "questions."

                                      I don't think any of those is a terrible choice though. Moving up in the spring is always good. Just depends on your schedule and horse. Another T that stood out as easy to me was Surefire.


                                      • #20
                                        Redlands always seems really small, which is good for moving up, but between the (usually muddy) footing and the twisty nature of the course, it's hard to get much rhythm (it reminds me of Difficult Run in that sense, if you've ever ridden there).
                                        The last time I rode the training course there was 2006 on Ralph (who was coming back but had gone prelim) and Zeke/the BFG, his first training. I didn't feel like it was nearly as twisty as DRPC and Ralph zipped around it in great form (granted, he was a teeny little TB, but he had a HUGE stride). I rode the novice on Vernon last year and even with his GIGANTIC stride and the fact that 350 is too slow for him, it didn't feel twisty, either. I think there's been a great deal of improvements to the course the last few years. It CAN be muddy, though, which is a bummer. It really is a nice, fun, low key type event.

                                        Ditto on Surefire, though. Almost too easy. Novice at Surefire was Vernon's first "real" event, second event ever, and I remember walking the training course with friends and going "Vernon could have done this...." Very straightforward.