• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Suggestions for horse that tries to get tongue over bit

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Suggestions for horse that tries to get tongue over bit

    After a brief stint as a hunter, my horse developed a habit of getting his tongue or at least trying to pull it back from the bit. I've had his teeth checked and working on the back since his hindend is weak but I know that this is a nasty habit to break. Somethings that I've tried: plain loose ring snaffle, three piece snaffle, boucher comfort snaffle, Herm Sprenger duo bit, mullen happy mouth. Any other bitting suggestions? I was thinking of trying a spoon bit (it has two pieces that encourage the tongue to lie flat at the center of the snaffle). I was thinking of trying it at home (I know it is illegal for competion) but at least I can try to encourage him to work properly. Anyone try a type of bit specifically used for this problem?

  • #2
    raise the bit and ride him forward
    A man must love a thing very much if he not only practices it without any hope of fame or money, but even practices it without any hope of doing it well.--G. K. Chesterton

    Comment


    • #3
      I had a young horse that did that initially.....he would also just suck his tongue into the back of his mouth and ball it up as well as over the bit.

      After initially putting the bit higher in his mouth and trying other bits like you have....we put one of these on a plain snaffle.

      http://www.doversaddlery.com/product...cd2=1263579974

      http://www.nationalbridle.com/product-p/1-0727.htm

      I think I rode him in it for about a month or two....I then put him back in a normal bit without the rubber port. I used this bit below now (he likes it the best).....haven't had the issue again in years.

      http://www.doversaddlery.com/herm-sp...1-01871/cn/86/


      I also use the above bit on one of my other horses who also sucks his tongue into the back of his mouth (but not over his bit)to the point of actually causing himself to flip his pallet. He does this all the time...even just standing in his stall. I say it is weird form of cribbing. I'm thinking of trying something different with him since I think he is actually playing with the bit too much.
      ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Thanks Bornfree! I think I will try the bit port first before I start spending more money on bits. Hoping that Bit of Britain has it so I can pick it up today!

        Comment


        • #5
          Bornfree-
          I have one of those and can't for the life of me figure out how to put it on!!! I came with no instructions.


          I'm working on a horse that developed that habbit as well. He more rolls his tongue around in his mouth though, and if he's super he'll actually stick it out the side of his mouth--along with sucking back behind my leg.

          what worked for him was using a rubber fullcheek with the keepers (I usually don't use keepers).

          The stiffness of it all keeps him a little more together and less wiggly. Much better than the french link he was in before.

          Also, as the other poster mentioned--ride super forward and keep that butt a movin.
          http://kaboomeventing.com/
          http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/
          Horses are amazing athletes and make no mistake -- they are the stars of the show!

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by purplnurpl View Post
            Bornfree-
            I have one of those and can't for the life of me figure out how to put it on!!! I came with no instructions.

            LOL...not sure I can describe how to put in on. Lucky for me one of my friends put mine on for me. But basically, it isn't like doing bit guards...you don't feed the bit through the holes.

            You basically feed the tongue part through the holes...so it sort of wraps itself around the bit. I think you go through the center hole first then around and out through the other hole...something like that.
            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

            Comment


            • #7
              We are having an issue also with the tongue over the bit. Will the rubber bit port work on a jointed pelham.

              Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
              I had a young horse that did that initially.....he would also just suck his tongue into the back of his mouth and ball it up as well as over the bit.

              After initially putting the bit higher in his mouth and trying other bits like you have....we put one of these on a plain snaffle.

              http://www.doversaddlery.com/product...cd2=1263579974

              http://www.nationalbridle.com/product-p/1-0727.htm

              I think I rode him in it for about a month or two....I then put him back in a normal bit without the rubber port. I used this bit below now (he likes it the best).....haven't had the issue again in years.

              http://www.doversaddlery.com/herm-sp...1-01871/cn/86/


              I also use the above bit on one of my other horses who also sucks his tongue into the back of his mouth (but not over his bit)to the point of actually causing himself to flip his pallet. He does this all the time...even just standing in his stall. I say it is weird form of cribbing. I'm thinking of trying something different with him since I think he is actually playing with the bit too much.

              Comment


              • #8
                You kind of push it through itself like a loop. Wow that is hard to explain!
                Kind of like the loops you can use to attach a flash strap to a regular caveson -- but the long part should stick up, I think -- Born free did youhave it stick up, or down? I have seen them used both ways.
                You sort of fold the flap part over the center of the mouth part of the bit and push the rubber stickup part thru the holes.
                But I totally sympathise with tongue stuff -- hard to fix! Be gentle with hands, too -- Bornfree doesn't mention that but she is a very good rider.
                Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

                Comment


                • #9
                  My OTTB does that. Apparently at the track they often tie down the tongues, so many horses learn the habit. For him, a flash works. Take off the flash, and the tongue is over the bit.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    had another with the habit.

                    used a mullen mouth happy mouth bit and pulled the bit up pretty high.
                    Then used figure *.

                    twice out of 4 HT I had to stop mid warm up in XC because the horse suddenly was kind of balky. Stink Pot had his tongue over the bit. I learned to put the figure 8 on kinda tight for XC.

                    I never figured out how to use the rubber thingy.

                    I also have a spoon bit. It's too stiff for my feeling. I like a wiggly feel.
                    http://kaboomeventing.com/
                    http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/
                    Horses are amazing athletes and make no mistake -- they are the stars of the show!

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                      You kind of push it through itself like a loop. Wow that is hard to explain!
                      Kind of like the loops you can use to attach a flash strap to a regular caveson -- but the long part should stick up, I think -- Born free did youhave it stick up, or down? I have seen them used both ways.
                      You sort of fold the flap part over the center of the mouth part of the bit and push the rubber stickup part thru the holes.
                      But I totally sympathise with tongue stuff -- hard to fix! Be gentle with hands, too -- Bornfree doesn't mention that but she is a very good rider.

                      Thanks Retred! I had it sticking more down as he was balling up his tongue in the back of his mouth (then would lift the bit off his bars..brat)...that was actually the bigger problem then putting it over the bit. It should work with a jointed Pelham as I was using it on snaffles. But it does make the jointed bit feel more like a mullen mouth. We also made sure the bit was a bit higher in his mouth...and shut his mouth with a flash then figure 8.
                      ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X