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  • USEA History Project Proposal

    So we`ve just had our 50th anniversary, and a group of us were talking about some of the great old events that we used to go to that for any number of reasons are no longer active.

    I think it would be a great project to create an archive, probably by USEA areas, of these former events, while there are still people around who can remember them.

    A few examples:
    Shepley Hill, Groton,MA, Sister and Albert Gould
    Doornhof Farm, Shaftsbury, VT, Janet and Henry Schurink
    Ledyard Farm, So. Hamilton, MA, Helen and Neil Ayer
    Your Father`s Moustache, CT, Alynn (sp?) Schiavone
    Foxbrush Farm, near Concord, NH, Sheila and Jack Carlson
    Ships Quarters, MD, Sally Robertson

    And so on, dozens, maybe even hundreds of good old events, that came, lasted for decades, some of them, and faded away.

    Wouldn`t it be a good project to create some sort of way for future US eventers to know the history of their sport? What are some of the others, large or small? How might this be done? Is it a worthwhile project, or simply irrelevant?
    http://www.tamarackhill.com/

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    Denny-

    Great idea. I'm not too old but I do remember these great events. It would be wonderful to put an archive together for the history of the sport. I have been talking to some of my students about our upcoming show schedule and where they would like to go XC schooling. I almost fell out of my chair when they asked what Ledyard was and if they had "cool jumps" there. I explained to them it was the first international 3day in the US and their course and land is gorgeous! I completely agree with getting this going! Great idea!
    "Want to ride for fun? Ride a carousel."-Gina Miles

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    • #3
      History of Eventing

      I think that is an AWESOME idea.
      I had wanted to put some kind of book together with that idea in mind. I wanted to include other countries as well. There have been other books like it that I have seen but the ones I found are 15+ years older. A website would be even better because you could have more than printed media.
      I would love to have a really comprehensive history of eventing from the beginning to now, covering not just the great moments but showing how it takes many small efforts to get to those Olympic moments.
      Without the smaller venues many eventers would not be able to get experience to get to the really big events or even have a place to event at all. Without volunteers and farm owners we would not have a sport at all.
      It is a pretty big project as now eventing is about 100 years old if you go back to the early Olympics when it was just the military.
      With the WEG just a few months away, maybe a booth there and website where those in the know could post their experiences with these events and their personal memories, upload photos and videos. I could envision an exhibit at the Lex. Horse Museum with memorabilia of eventing. Old helmets, weight pads, old saddles, maybe a replica of some the more intimidating jumps, some interactive media like seeing what it is like to go over a **** course from the riders point of view (like Mike Smith did when he filmed with a helmet cam on Zanyatta during a workout this summer).
      Let me know how I can help!
      Christina
      "I am a sand dancer... just here for the jumps!" - Schrammo
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      • #4
        Pleasant Hollow

        Hi Denny,
        Great idea!! Please make sure you add Pleasant Hollow (Coopersburg, PA) to your list.

        The Cory family (especially Jane & John) worked really hard, and were very successful at becoming one of the premier events in Area II, especially when the sport was just emerging. They made Pleasant Hollow, literally from the ground up, as it had not been an event location/farm/stable previously.

        They had a wonderful reputation for holding a quality event, and it showed by the numbers and quality of people who came. The events were well attended, and almost always had a waiting list.

        Their events always had a lot of "big name" people, and they would come again and again.......but having said that, all the levels (from BN on up) were always filled- and the courses were challenging yet fair.

        I am not terribly old, but was privileged to witness a lot of their events (and the subsequent hard work that was done behind the scenes), as I used to board, take lessons, and help out at events- and I can tell you that it was a wonderful, once in a lifetime experience for me.

        I have many wonderful memories of watching Bruce and many, many other current and future "luminaries" of the sport cantering around the indoor, warming up for Dressage in their red team coats.

        Just my 2 cents.......Thanks for hearing me out.
        Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day, saying "I will try again tomorrow" -Mary Ann Radmacher

        Wearing a helmet saved my eyesight

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          #5
          I`m not adding or forgetting anyone. This isn`t my project, or any one person`s project. This is way too big a country for that.

          I sort of envisage a profile of what the event was, who was/were the organizers, where and when it was, maybe a photo or two or three, just a general reminiscence of the event.

          Should the archives be on line in the USEA site? That`s my first inclination, if they`re willing. I haven`t spoken with anyone except right here.

          This can go somewhere, or maybe stop here, up to us.
          http://www.tamarackhill.com/

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          • #6
            I'm a youngun...but I would LOVE to read and learn more about the old events. I've read about them on CoTH, or in people's books, but I don't think these histories should be lost! I think that it would be awesome on the USEA site, people just learning about the sport could see where we've come from and where we are today.

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            • #7
              Down South:

              Timber Acres Ranch -Dr. Bob and Peg Whitehurst, Buhl, AL. (bred and owned Lazer, who Mike Plumb rode through Intermediate.) Where I started Pony Club and "Combined Training".

              Patchwork Farm - Dr. Chauncey and Pat Thuss, Birmingham, AL. (Home of the Cahaba Pony Club, where Wash Bishop got his start.) Bela Buttykay was the instructor and a great man!
              When in Doubt, let your horse do the Thinking!

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              • #8
                Denny, I like what you are envisioning. I think having them be online on the USEA site is a great idea, as it would be accessable for anyone to view.

                That way, things can be added and/or updated as needed. If it were to happen, then perhapts each area could be responsible for submitting past events from their respective areas.

                Whereas, in book or print form, you are limited to whenever it goes to print, and then if you would like to add an event after the fact, I guess you will have to start writing volume II.
                Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day, saying "I will try again tomorrow" -Mary Ann Radmacher

                Wearing a helmet saved my eyesight

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                • #9
                  Out west. Horse Trials at Showpark in San Diego. They made this venue after the 84 Olympics. I think it was some concession after have the x-c on the Rancho Santa Fe golf course.
                  It was there before the polo grounds and even Mary's Tack was in this shack across the street.
                  The 'water' jump was the San Dieguito "River" which was basically a stream if it were here on the east coast and God forbid if you got dumped in there. It contained a lot of sewage.
                  Anyway, it's defunct and I'm guessing the outfit moved up to Copper Meadows.
                  Even duct tape can't fix stupid

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                  • #10
                    Professional historian here.

                    There are a few distinct options for documenting the history of individual HTs or eventing in general, none of which are mutually exclusive.

                    1. Archives. This means gathering the documents (including photos and ephemera) associated with each HT and depositing them somewhere (the National Sporting Library is an obvious candidate). The archives could be made more accessible via the web (for an example of a digital collection, see http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/touring/ ).

                    2. Oral History. This requires someone to track down organizers, volunteers, officials, competitors, grooms, etc. and conducting interviews with them, which are recorded and, ideally, transcribed. Some oral history collections have been published in book form and a few have even been digitized and put online (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/collections/oral_hist/cox/index.html); others live at archival repositories like the National Sporting Library and the user has to visit the library to access them.

                    3. Monograph/ secondary source. This is a book, article, etc. by a historian, professional or amateur. S/he gathers and interprets the archives and/ or oral histories and creates an analysis of the events of the past, in a coherent narrative.

                    Anyone who wants to develop an eventing history project would have to decide on one or more of the three formats above.

                    Hope this helps!
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                    • #11
                      I should also add: the scope of the project is of course up to the historian. One can gather archives, conduct oral history interviews, or write a book/ article about one event, the entire history of eventing in this country, or anything in between (regional histories of eventing, certain decades or people, etc.).
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                      • #12
                        Flat Creek was a lower level event that ran for 30 years in GA. We lost it about 5 years ago.

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                        • #13
                          Great idea! There was a very popular event in southern Indiana - Mumford Farms. Of course with my impeccable sense of timing....the last event was maybe 2 minutes before I moved to S. Ind and began riding lessons and learned what eventing actually was. Now our nearest event is a 2 1/2 hour drive. However to Cookie Pony's point....I know one of the organizers and she once brought me a program to peruse. It was interesting to see names that are still competing 20 + years later. I will call her and make a copy and see if she can give me more history. She did tell me one reason that the event wound down was battle fatigue from the organizers. The same people carried the load every year and simply became tired. I wonder if the farm where the event was held is still owned by same family and if they have any jumps or photos, etc. Oooh...goodie....a dead of winter project which will allow me to continue to put off cleaning my closets.

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                          • #14
                            It would be an interesting idea. I think overall, there is a sort of whispered demand in many circles for an overall retrospective look at the history and transition into the modern-day Equestrian sports that the USEF oversees.
                            Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gryhrs View Post
                              Great idea! There was a very popular event in southern Indiana - Mumford Farms. Of course with my impeccable sense of timing....the last event was maybe 2 minutes before I moved to S. Ind and began riding lessons and learned what eventing actually was. Now our nearest event is a 2 1/2 hour drive. However to Cookie Pony's point....I know one of the organizers and she once brought me a program to peruse. It was interesting to see names that are still competing 20 + years later. I will call her and make a copy and see if she can give me more history. She did tell me one reason that the event wound down was battle fatigue from the organizers. The same people carried the load every year and simply became tired. I wonder if the farm where the event was held is still owned by same family and if they have any jumps or photos, etc. Oooh...goodie....a dead of winter project which will allow me to continue to put off cleaning my closets.
                              Mumford Farms was one of my favorites and the New Britton Hunt HT (which was in Zionsville, IN) were both wonderful events. I can easily dig up stuff on the NBHHT. New Britton was last held in 1984 and I think Mumford lasted a few years longer--maybe 86 or so?

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                                #16
                                I just saw Lefreda Williams at the local tack shop. She remembers a whole bunch of Ohio/midwestern events that are long gone. There are probably more than we realize.
                                Here are a few more:
                                St George`s Quarters, NC Old Chatham, NY Greenspring Valley, MD., Peter Green Blue Ridge, VA, Trish Gilbert, Little River, NC Monadnock, NH
                                http://www.tamarackhill.com/

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by denny View Post
                                  I just saw Lefreda Williams at the local tack shop. She remembers a whole bunch of Ohio/midwestern events that are long gone.
                                  This prompted my memory--there was a event held up at Firestones place in Northern Ohio that was a lot of fun-- I think it was called Bath HT? I think it was last held in 89 or 90.

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                                  • #18
                                    I think it would be REALLY cool if there was an overal US Eventing archive, with stories, results and treasures from the past. It would also be great if we could keep adding to it NOW, for future preservation.

                                    Perhaps it could be combined with other statistical info, like event results/scores, to track historical trends as the sport evolves? We know the USEA gathers data about falls, etc, but what happens to it? Does anyone look at it over time?

                                    It would be an ENORMOUS project, but surely there is someone(s) out there dedicated enough with the resources to try?

                                    There is an AMAZING historical site for the University of Kentucky basketball team-- it has records, game info, photos, archives all the way back through the '30s. It is not fancy, but very easy to navigate. All the info is interlinked; historical data about related places, dates, players, game write-ups, etc can be accessed from within any page. There are sections devoted to rule changes, tracking trends, favorite stories and myths/misconceptions. And this entire site was developed by ONE person!

                                    If an eventing site existed with this much info in one place, WOW. Can you imagine comparing dressage scores from 1960 to today? Looking at photos of how course design/jump building has changed? I think it would be really neat to examine how the sport has progressed, track trends from the past and compare to today.
                                    “A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it.”
                                    ? Albert Einstein

                                    ~AJ~

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                                    • #19
                                      1965 the National Horse Trials and 3-Day at Genesee Valley-

                                      I actually rode at that one-my first event:
                                      http://photos.imageevent.com/nadasy4...orsamdht65.jpg

                                      yes, that's my moto-cross helmet, and my baggy white breeches, and yes...equipment has certainly changed...

                                      Mr. Charles Plumb with M'Lord Connelly and his shillelagh at the 'water leap'

                                      Meg Plumb with her wonderful Foster, Donnan Sharpe and many of the great coaches of the time, Von Visey, Nadasy, Rethy.

                                      My dad took photos and they are still on 16mm film. I had some transferred to 8mm-have to get those out.

                                      The dressage was priceless with those 3-Day Fit horses...

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by nadasy View Post
                                        1965 the National Horse Trials and 3-Day at Genesee Valley-

                                        I actually rode at that one-my first event:
                                        http://photos.imageevent.com/nadasy4...orsamdht65.jpg

                                        yes, that's my moto-cross helmet, and my baggy white breeches, and yes...equipment has certainly changed...
                                        That's a classic! And look at the fence--wagon wheels look to be leaned there to give the appearance of being more solid!

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