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  • busted for beating my horse

    Okay all what do you think? I got reprimmanded for using my stick 4 times at a fence! I went to an event in VA this weekend with my green 6 year old. We were coming to a drop and I just started tapping (not hitting!) with my stick just to encourage him along.
    Next think I'm being called to the secretary stand!
    Let me just say this. I am a card carrying member of Peta. I have been in animal rescue, welfare all my life. I support a dozen local and national humane organizations. I work/exist for the benefit of my dogs, cats and horse. My will is already set up so they are cared for. So, to have some snot nosed fence judge, who probably eats meat, owns an unspayed cat or dog, worse yet buys a purebred instead of rescuing from a kill-shelter, accuse me of abuse just burns.
    It ain't eventing like it use to be.

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    I think that you're being a pretty bad sport about it.

    You were accused of excessive use of the whip - and you admit you did it.

    Then you try and justify it by saying that you are a better person than every one else.

    If you really were a card carrying member of PeTa - you wouldn't be eventing anyway.

    But you're right - eventing ain't what it used to be. It used to include sportsmanship.
    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
    -Rudyard Kipling

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    • #3
      Yikes. First off, the snot nosed judge spent their weekend day VOLUNTEERING so that you could get the chance to ride in an event. Most likely they were a friend or a family member of another rider who knows nothing about eventing and took the three hit maximum they heard about in the fence judge briefing to the letter of the law. They were doing their job, and while you were riding they way you needed to on the green horse, they may just not know that their is a difference between encouraging, forward riding, and beating the crap out of the horse. Life goes on, it was just one of those things.

      What was the outcome of getting called to the secretary stand? A talk? Elimination? A fine?
      Amanda

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      • #4
        Guys, TROLL.
        http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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        • #5
          You broke the rules!

          The rules are THREE uses of the stick and can't be in front of the shoulder. You went to four. Whether it was just tapping or full-out wallop, you broke the rules. Good for the jump judge to report you and not let you get away with breaking the rules. Who do you think you are that the rules don't apply to you?

          Your punishment should be volunteering for the next event, not riding. That's volunteering all day, not just a few hours- preferably in rotten weather conditions, too. Oh, and you get a boring jump- no water or dditch and it's way out in the woods or somewhere that you have little to no contact with anyone. Volunteers don't need to get crap like this from people like you. In fact, people like you are why some people no longer volunteer. Without volunteers, events shut down and many have already.

          I've volunteered at every event for one facility and know exactly how much effort it takes to sit there for hours with no excitement whatsoever. I do it because I love and support the sport even though I haven't competed in six years and barely ride my own horse so that my students can use her experience.

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          • #6
            I have been one of those snot nosed judges, albeit one that does know something about horses and eventing... (let's see... last Saturday, first horse on course at 7:30am, last horse on course at about 4:44pm; 5 divisions with a 20 minute break between divisions to get to the next jump; horses starting every 2 minutes at the lower divisions, 3 minutes at the higher divisons; over 200 horses; "payment" was lunch brought out on the course... don't call me snot nosed).

            Frankly, I don't even watch or count whip hits (actually most briefings I've been to don't even mention whip hits). But, before the the "hit" would show up on my radar screen, it would have to be more than a tap, for sure. I'm too busy watching the rider and the horse and the horse's feet to notice a tap with the whip. I'm really wondering what your definition of a tap with the whip is?
            You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something… S. Jobs

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            • #7
              Sorry troll, I'm all out of troll food... it fell out of my pockets yesterday when I flipped my horse during his weekly flipping session.
              -Jessica

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              • #8
                "... snot nosed fence judge,"

                Any sympathy I may have had - and I emphasize MAY have had - flew out the window when you referred to a volunteer as "{snot nosed." Yep, eventing isn't what it used to be - and it's people like you who have made it worse.
                Grow up.

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                  #9
                  just to clear up. i didn't use the stick on the shoulder. used it behind my leg.
                  i totally appologize for the snot nose remark. i was angry in the moment. volunteers ( and i do my share) make the sport happen and are much appreciated.
                  i am letting it go, but things like this really make me stop and think whether it is time to move away from eventing.

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                  • #10
                    If one is going to participate in the sport, one is expected to know the rules. The rules permit THREE taps, not FOUR. You violated a rule, and that is simply the end of it. Dragging in your personal beliefs really is beside the point and serves only to completely ruin your credibility and any hint of good sportsmanship.

                    Looked at another way, it indicates the fence judge was well-versed in the rules and did exactly what he/she was asked and expected to do. Why complain?

                    As to card-carrying member of PETA--doesn't riding a horse sort of violate their premises, much less "making" it jump? And if you wish to appeal to the sympathies of this meat-eating, purebred-owning fellow rider, well, you didn't. You're entitled to your viewpoints just as I am, but they don't excuse you from abiding by the same rule book as I do.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by flyingchange
                      Gosh, DW, she is just venting. She has already apologised for the dig at the jump judge. She just wanted to blow off a little steam, and perhaps she was hoping that this would be a good place to do it. I guess not. She forgot to ask if the color of her whip matched her saddle pad well enough.
                      I thought it was a little over the top.
                      Especially the purebred dog comment.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                        As to card-carrying member of PETA--doesn't riding a horse sort of violate their premises, much less "making" it jump?
                        This surprised me too.. I'd think a Peta member, if they did ride, would just go on the trail or do natural horsemanship. Eventing, and racing, seem to be exactly what peta would love to ban. Since we eventers love to flip our horses and all.

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                        • #13
                          I think she's right that things have changed and also think that this points out how we have to accept (and encourage) judges, TDs, riders, organizers, whoever, to always, always err on the side of caution.

                          Rule in favor of the horse: the take-home message of eventing and public perception today.
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                          • #14
                            "i am letting it go, but things like this really make me stop and think whether it is time to move away from eventing."

                            That comment makes the apology pretty insincere. As others pointed out the jump judge knew the rules and enforced them. So there is no reason to complain.

                            Yesterday at Rubicon, a competitor was eliminated after four refusals. The judge flagged the rider told her she was eliminated and that she needed to walk off the course. The competitor asked if she could jump the jump anyway. The judge told her no and she jumped the jump anyway.

                            The jump judge asked me what she should do and I told her to call the TD.

                            The rules are there for a reason and getting pissy with the people that enforce them is flat out wrong.

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                            • #15
                              She just wanted to blow off a little steam, and perhaps she was hoping that this would be a good place to do it. I guess not.
                              Nah, you're wrong. This is the place to blow off steam.

                              However, this isn't the place for trotting out the morality resume to excuse a step over the line, as you can tell by all the responses.
                              Proud Member of the League of Weenie Eventers
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Elghund2 View Post
                                "i am letting it go, but things like this really make me stop and think whether it is time to move away from eventing."

                                That comment makes the apology pretty insincere. As others pointed out the jump judge knew the rules and enforced them. So there is no reason to complain.

                                Yesterday at Rubicon, a competitor was eliminated after four refusals. The judge flagged the rider told her she was eliminated and that she needed to walk off the course. The competitor asked if she could jump the jump anyway. The judge told her no and she jumped the jump anyway.

                                The jump judge asked me what she should do and I told her to call the TD.

                                The rules are there for a reason and getting pissy with the people that enforce them is flat out wrong.


                                I know nothing about jumping so this is a question from sheer lack of knowledge. I understand the disrespect shown by her jumping anyway after the judge told her no. But as a competitor, would you not want to insist your horse jump to prove to him he can't get out of work by refusing?

                                Again, not wanting to get pounced on, I just seriously don't know

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by jaimebaker View Post
                                  I know nothing about jumping so this is a question from sheer lack of knowledge. I understand the disrespect shown by her jumping anyway after the judge told her no. But as a competitor, would you not want to insist your horse jump to prove to him he can't get out of work by refusing?

                                  Again, not wanting to get pounced on, I just seriously don't know
                                  The rules specify that a competitor who is eliminated must leave the course immediately, at a walk, mounted or unmounted.
                                  It's not entirely a question of "respect" for the fence judge, but of "respect" for the rules.
                                  "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                  ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                                    The rules specify that a competitor who is eliminated must leave the course immediately, at a walk, mounted or unmounted.
                                    It's not entirely a question of "respect" for the fence judge, but of "respect" for the rules.
                                    Ahhh, got ya! Thank you.

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                                    • #19
                                      isn't the three hit rule for after a stop? I did not think it applied to before a fence.
                                      www.ncsporthorse.com

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by jaimebaker View Post
                                        I know nothing about jumping so this is a question from sheer lack of knowledge. I understand the disrespect shown by her jumping anyway after the judge told her no. But as a competitor, would you not want to insist your horse jump to prove to him he can't get out of work by refusing?

                                        Again, not wanting to get pounced on, I just seriously don't know
                                        As a rider and a competitor, sure I'd want to make the horse jump the jump.
                                        As a long time volunteer, being a jump judge and having the responsibility to keep up with riders coming through every 2 minutes and the possibility of one rider still trying to get over the fence without parting company with the horse when another is coming through, I definitely see it from the other side. I also see it from the side that the event officials have to be concerned with doing everything possible to ensure safety and order in a very high risk and potentially dangerous activity, as well as keeping up with many horses on course simultaneously and trying to keep things running smoothly. If a rider has had 3 refusals already not only due the rules clearly state that they are eliminated but with another horse is on the way, an already potentially dangerous situation is magnified. The officials really do have to draw the line and stand firm to keep order amidst the potential chaos. When things become disorderly and/or disorganized, who are the first to complain?

                                        I just got home from jump judging a morning of cross country at a major event and I got cursed at yesterday on cross country by a rider after I politely asked him to retire after his 3rd refusal. It's times like that, that make me seriously question why I am spending a 12 hour Saturday in the baking sun, sweating like a horse and fighting off insects not to mention times like yesterday when several of us have to cover 2 jumps with 1 person due to a shortage of volunteers. (Jeez, people, we can't even take a potty break without announcing to everyone on the radios WHY we need someone to come stand at our fence for a few minutes, cut us some slack...!!!)

                                        Shortly after, a young lady walking the course smiled at me and thanked me for volunteering. It happens so seldom and when it does, it just makes my day.

                                        Volunteering and "officiating" are often pretty thankless jobs . Next time you want to criticize an official or volunteer for one decision that doesn't sit well with you personally, please keep in mind the hundreds of decisions that they have to make each competition day to keep things running smoothly that are to your benefit.
                                        And take a minute some day to randomly thank a volunteer, I promise you it will make their day
                                        Last edited by wabadou; Jun. 10, 2007, 05:01 PM.

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