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Pan Am Speculation --WHOOPS! List is NOT OFFICIAL yet! See pg. 5

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  • Pan Am Speculation --WHOOPS! List is NOT OFFICIAL yet! See pg. 5

    I knowwwwwww I shouldn't be the one to start this thread, but 1.) I think we need a distraction from the AT issues and 2.) wouldn't it be fun before Jersey Fresh to mull over it--and then see how we did afterward? Like those last weeks before it's known which teams will be in the NBA or NFL playoffs and stuff.

    Let's have some fun speculating. (And, please, please, allow me to ignore my individual connection to it, OK? I want to just enjoy the sport as I used to, OK?) How do you think the *** and the mandatory Adv. will play out? How do they NEED to play out for some? Canadians, too, of course!
    Last edited by pwynnnorman; Jun. 7, 2007, 06:30 PM.
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    Unfortuneately for us Canadians, as most selection trials its basically take whoevers qualified... Im not sure if this years any different..
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      #3
      So who's qualified so far? Who needs to do well at JF to quality? Is there still time? For whom? Me, I'd put money on Penny Rowland (sp?). Z'at reasonable?
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      • #4
        Penny for sure I would think. Ian Roberts, and Im sure Hawley Bennett after her finish at Badminton.
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        • #5
          The candians have some useful three star horse....where they have trouble is feilding a team...let alone a competitive one...for four star events. Their short list is not all that impressive (unfortunately)...but yes Penny has had some terrific results this spring. Kelly Temple and Paris...Ian Roberts and Napalm...the rest is up in the air. But as one previous post states..it really is about who they can get together as a team....It is too bad as the canadians used to be a dominant force in eventing and have had a hard time of it in the past twenty years.
          Lets hope David has a master plan to get things together with our neighbours to the north. Though it is going to take some time.

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          • #6
            Please how can anyone ignore the PONY . My money is on him making it .

            Other than that are Kristin Bachman and Gryffindor in the running at all after the problem at Rolex? I would really love to see them go. I am sure she will never let that happen again.
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            • #7
              I'll take as stab at it!

              Phillip, Heidi, Karen.

              Beyond those, it's a crapshoot -- perhaps Sara Mittleider, perhaps Will.

              Can't remember -- who else got round XC at Rolex with only time, and jumped clear in stadium? I guarantee those are the ones on the top of the Captains' list. He's not too mysterious about his selections, it is pretty obvious he wants a good jumping animals who can be in the top ten after dressage. Oh and add Sunday nerves to the rider's requirements. Just from a 35 year observer...jmo obviously....
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              • #8
                Canada = no money, no upper level events = no four star team
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                • #9
                  Pan Am Selections

                  Hey, what about Jon Holling??? He has 2 great horses and has been cooking this year.
                  My money is on him!
                  And of course,
                  Philip
                  Karen
                  Heidi
                  Don't know who else is rockin

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                  • #10
                    Yes. And Jan Byyny too.
                    I think the other three are pretty set though. We have to find the best XC / stadium pair out of the others. The Pan Ams are a cut below traditionally and under normal circumstances we usually wouldn't send our top riders but the next level in order to get good international experience under the belts of the green horses and new riders. Unfortunately, we don't have riches of advanced international horses and riders so we are going to end up sending our best I think. I know that Pan Ams are a great prep for Oly's and have traditionally be used as such but with the advanced pickings so sparse at the moment, I have to think that Pan Ams are really going to be another international survival test rather than a warmup, at least for Americans....sadly....
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                    • #11
                      Pan Am

                      Hmmmm, sorry to say that Jan's horses have not seemed up to snuff this season.
                      What about Becky Holder?

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                      • #12
                        Becky Holder retired pretty quickly on XC at Rolex, so that didn't exactly prove their readiness. They've got a decent record, but they didn't get picked for the WEG last year when they'd had a better run-up (in the lead after XC at Rolex), so I think she'd have to do some pretty amazing riding (and pull off a clean SJ round) to get a ticket this year. I'd love to see her and Comet do well; this just might not be their year.

                        For the Canadians, I'd love to see Hawley and Hank represent their country another (last?) time in international competition. Kelli Temple and Paris are really strong, but they've been a bit off the radar lately, so hopefully they'll wow everyone at Rolex.

                        It's neat to see a few Canadians doing their first *** at JF, so hopefully that bodes well for the future.
                        I evented just for the Halibut.

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                        • #13
                          For Canada, I'll take Mike Winter.

                          For the US, the pony better go.

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                          • #14
                            Heelllooooo. Doesn't anyone remember Lauren O'Brien posting a clean trip around the country at Rolex with only a few time faults and the only one besides "the pony" double clear on SJ. Her dressage is usually some of the best, she had an off day. So how about Lauren?

                            And yes, I'm cheering for the pony too!

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                            • #15
                              Hellooooo... I think there were a lot of stories reporting that Lauren said Rolex would be their last upper-level event together. They're retiring. So between that and the fact that they aren't entered in the selection trials, I don't think anyone's disrespectin' them by not picking them for the team.
                              I evented just for the Halibut.

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                              • #16
                                Do they have to run a **** to be qualified? or just a ***?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                                  Yes. And Jan Byyny too.
                                  Unfortunately, we don't have riches of advanced international horses and riders so we are going to end up sending our best I think.
                                  Does anyone else wish we could go back 10-20 years to when our top riders had 2-3 horses and lots of people had one great horse going, and the Pan Am Games were for our riders/horses who were developing their international skills? Because I have nothing against Karen and Phillip, but how does anyone else break into the US Team if they don't even have a decent shot at the Pan Am Games? I would love to see us send a group of talented "starter" international pairs who need the experience to become the Karen and Phillips one day.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                                    Canada = no money, no upper level events = no four star team

                                    This is THE big problem...and it does not seem to get better for them...sometimes it feels like the are fighting a losing battle. Pity really as they have some very dedicated riders. They just do not have the money or infatructure.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                                      Yes. And Jan Byyny too.
                                      The Pan Ams are a cut below traditionally and under normal circumstances we usually wouldn't send our top riders but the next level in order to get good international experience under the belts of the green horses and new riders. Unfortunately, we don't have riches of advanced international horses and riders ...but with the advanced pickings so sparse at the moment, I have to think that Pan Ams are really going to be another international survival test rather than a warmup, at least for Americans....sadly....
                                      Two questions. One, what do you mean by "a cut below traditionally" (I've heard that, too, but I've also heard that it's "required" to be a "real" three-star) and, two, not disagreeing with you, but how do you figure we (the U.S.) have a shortage of advanced horses? I could be wrong, but haven't there been upwards of 30-40+ horses at most eastern three-stars this season?

                                      Meanwhile, I think if Antigua makes a good showing at JF, 18 or not, that'd be a strong addition--and a great story, too. And Jonathan Holling for sure, along with the others mentioned. And surely Kristin B. isn't out of the running? She's doing the mandatory outing and his record in stadium speaks for itself, doesn't it? And, just for discussion, if there are "slim pickin's" what about Dan, McKinleigh and Poggio (without getting off-track, please)? (I've never quite understood the "get them experience" vs. "go for the medals" philosophy(ies) behind past team selections. I did think it was to give up and comers experience--but others seem to disagree, at least this year? If it WERE, I would hope to see Sara and El Primero on the team.)

                                      And is there any chance Jessica Ruppel (sp?) and NBN might be considered for the Canadian team? They've been extremely consistent!

                                      [BTW, why in heavens name did they put that nosedive picture on the JF homepage slideshow?]
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                                      • #20
                                        what about Lesley Grant for Canada?

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