• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Back from an injury - how long to get fit for Training level

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Back from an injury - how long to get fit for Training level

    My mare has just been given the green light to start trotting again after the tendon injury she had at the AECs this year. IF she stays sound and everything goes according to plan, she should be cantering in the beginning of February. I expect we will get to start jumping again in March, again IF she stays good and sound and Pluto aligns with Mars. She was running Novice this year and was just about Training fit when she injured herself in September. She has maintained a remarkable level of muscletone given her time on stall rest. The injuries were actually not too bad in the end and she is up to 25 minutes of treadmilling a day and 30 minutes of walking under saddle.

    My question if, if we are jumping again in the beginning of March, is it unreasonable to think she'd be fit enough at the end of May to run an easy Novice, and maybe mid-June for a Training? Soundness pending, of course. She's about average when it comes to ease of fitness - it comes to her pretty easily if you work at it fairly diligently.
    Eventing-A-Gogo: Adventures of a Barefoot Event Horse and her Human
    The Reeling: An Unexpected Mareventure

  • #2
    No reason not to plan that way, see how it goes. It's not like you have to go full speed the first few times out at a new level, anyway, and the courses are not that much longer.
    Click here before you buy.

    Comment


    • #3
      most of my horses got training fit just doing the rehab work. I mean we were trotting 30 minutes and cantering 3 five minute sets before jumping.....that's usually far more than I ever do with a horse getting ready for training!


      Good luck! Just take your time with her rehab....it will pay off in the long run.
      ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

      Comment


      • #4
        My old horse went from sitting in the field for 9 months to pulling my arms out at training level in 6 weeks. He did not have a serious injury (just needed some chill time), was a tiny, full TB who got one star fit if you looked at him cross eyed, and HAD been prelim fit before he got kicked out. I would plan more time for a horse who was not as fit, and I believe the OP's horse is a WB, so that will probably take a little more fitness as well.

        Your plan is good, but generous. You should be fine.
        Amanda

        Comment


        • #5
          Hey Bornfree and Amanda, while we're on the subject of getting fit -- how much MORE work did both of you do from training to prelim? How did you increase it and over what time frame? And for how many events?
          I have sort of an idea but it's been GULP 27 years since I last rode prelim...no lie...and my last intermediate was a three day event! That ought to date me. So....I need a refresher.
          Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
          Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
            Hey Bornfree and Amanda, while we're on the subject of getting fit -- how much MORE work did both of you do from training to prelim? How did you increase it and over what time frame? And for how many events?
            I have sort of an idea but it's been GULP 27 years since I last rode prelim...no lie...and my last intermediate was a three day event! That ought to date me. So....I need a refresher.
            PLEASE come "sorta" south this Winter, Holly! I do sooooo want to get to really KNOW YOU!!!! PTF Advanced in late February is a VERY good time to do this!!!!
            ~ it no longer matters what level I do, as long as I am doing it..~ with many thanks, to Elizabeth Callahan

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
              Hey Bornfree and Amanda, while we're on the subject of getting fit -- how much MORE work did both of you do from training to prelim? How did you increase it and over what time frame? And for how many events?
              I have sort of an idea but it's been GULP 27 years since I last rode prelim...no lie...and my last intermediate was a three day event! That ought to date me. So....I need a refresher.
              I think it depends on when you are thinking of moving up....if it is early in the spring, I would do more conditioning work. (i.e. trot sets and canter sets....how much depends on when you were planning to move up) But if you are going to move up at the end of your spring season...I wouldn't do too much more just for running a Prelim HT. He should already be pretty fit for training level...and would have done some "gallops" during your competitions.

              It hasn't changed much from when I first moved up...you will be fine. You know how to get a horse fit
              ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                So I have one more question for those in Area I: What's a good Training move-up course around here? We'd like something simple start the season off!
                Eventing-A-Gogo: Adventures of a Barefoot Event Horse and her Human
                The Reeling: An Unexpected Mareventure

                Comment


                • #9
                  I don't think your back-to-work schedule is generous. It is probably just right. Don't forget that there is often a couple days here and there when you have to postpone your schedule (an owie here, bad weather there, late day at work etc.). Just keep a really careful eye on her legs and back off if you think there is anything going on.
                  Blugal

                  You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Blugal View Post
                    I don't think your back-to-work schedule is generous. It is probably just right. Don't forget that there is often a couple days here and there when you have to postpone your schedule (an owie here, bad weather there, late day at work etc.). Just keep a really careful eye on her legs and back off if you think there is anything going on.
                    I think it is pretty generous (which isn't a BAD thing). The OP is talking about starting jumping in early March...not starting back to work or starting back to real flatwork. So, that's almost 16 weeks of JUMPING before the first event. Most horses are fit enough for novice if they are logically brought back to work in 6 to 8 weeks. And, from my understanding (from reading the OP's blog), the horse in question has been walking under tack and I believe on a treadmill. So, while not real intense work, it is hardly the fat, shaggy slob that I started with in my first post!

                    retread, I agree with BFNE, it DOES depend on when you plan to move up and, of course, the horse you are sitting on. For Ralph (the fat, shaggy slob), I didn't do any special. We moved up in April, but had spent some time in Aiken, and had done a few training HTs down there. He was REALLY easy to get fit...I wouldn't have been able to keep a lid on him if I'd down anything more than his hacking and occasional low key canter. As that particular season went on, he got stronger and more unruly on the flat...I think that was both due to his fitness level and due to whatever it was that was his ultimate undoing (but that's another story).

                    Anyway, the heavier the horse the more you have to do. I think asterix practically does what we did for our TB-type one star horses to get her two big guys fit enough for training. But a horse with a lot of "blood" (my new favorite term) really just needs good consistent work, and some trots and canters.
                    Amanda

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      PS- my fat, shaggy slob only did one jump school and one dressage school in the ring before his first training level (this had more to do with his brain than anything...he hated the ring). Really, if you do the proper leg work and they had a base to begin with, it doesn't take long.
                      Amanda

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        As this thread shows, it's all a matter of opinion.

                        I take "beginning of March to end of May" to mean more like 10-12 weeks, not 16. 2 weeks between her first Novice and her first Training isn't going to be used to get fit, it will be schooling for the actual event. So the horse should basically be fit enough to safely do a Training HT (not necessarily at speed) by the end of May.

                        10-12 weeks of jumping a horse that has been on a long recovery is not huge. If it were me, the first couple weeks I'd be taking it very easy. Just a couple jumps to start, then building up, and monitoring very carefully. I wouldn't just launch into doing grids and courses - which is what a person wanting to move up to Training should be practicing. Therefore a base level of fitness with the weakest link being the injured limb(s) will be required PRIOR to actually practicing and honing the skills needed for moving up.

                        Again, I don't think your program is unreasonable, but I also don't think it's generous.

                        yellowbritches, I mostly agreed with your first post - but as you said, your horse had much different parameters - full TB, previously prelim fit, and uninjured. I personally wouldn't go to a Training HT on a horse that had only jumped once in 10+ months, as I'd be worried about him being unfit for jumping, regardless of fitness on the flat, as they use different muscle groups and there are different forces on their tendons and ligaments.
                        Blugal

                        You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          having rehabbed more than one horse from a tendon injury....let me clarify my earlier post.

                          I personally don't think you need to do ANY additional fitness work to go training. An average horse (not a full draft)...can go trainning easily on just regular work. They do not need to be "fit" to go to a HT. And the amount of work you are doing legging up from an injury is usually more than enough "fitness" for training level.

                          But complete the rehab first.

                          That said...more than fit...you need to be prepared....there is a difference.

                          I personally would make NO PLANS. Focus on your rehab. Competing or moving up to training isn't out of the question for this coming year...but take your time on your rehab. WHEN you start jumping consistently, horse is back on full turn out and been in a consistent riding program for more than a couple of weeks with no set backs....THEN I might start thinking about preparing for a competition and look at the schedule and see what might work.

                          But don't make a plan or schedule before then...otherwise you will be too tempted to "push" things along to be ready....instead of just focusing on how she feels each day.

                          good luck!
                          ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                            I think it depends on when you are thinking of moving up....if it is early in the spring, I would do more conditioning work. (i.e. trot sets and canter sets....how much depends on when you were planning to move up) But if you are going to move up at the end of your spring season...I wouldn't do too much more just for running a Prelim HT. He should already be pretty fit for training level...and would have done some "gallops" during your competitions.

                            It hasn't changed much from when I first moved up...you will be fine. You know how to get a horse fit

                            Well, yes and no....he is SLOW. I don't know what I need to do to get another nickel out of the withers to ge that 520 I need. Should I do some faster gallops later in the spring or now? Closer to the event? He is not a fast worker on his own, folks, TB aside...think warmblood slow....
                            The footing is pretty bad right now to gallop. I'm letting those 2-3 hour foxhunts do most of the conditioning at the moment.
                            Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                            Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                              Well, yes and no....he is SLOW. I don't know what I need to do to get another nickel out of the withers to ge that 520 I need. Should I do some faster gallops later in the spring or now? Closer to the event? He is not a fast worker on his own, folks, TB aside...think warmblood slow....
                              The footing is pretty bad right now to gallop. I'm letting those 2-3 hour foxhunts do most of the conditioning at the moment.

                              He's a TB...he is fast enough. You don't make time by being on a FAST horse...you make time by reducing your set up to the fences and taking the direct lines (don't swing wide and meander). You also make time be really leaving the fence at speed...not waiting three stides after the fence thinking about the last fence and THEN kicking them back up You land kicking. I've seen your boy....he is more than fast enough for Prelim and I wouldn't be worrying about doing speed work.

                              If he is fox hunting this winter....you don't need to be doing anything more...just keep him in regular work.
                              ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X